Kennebell or Magnacharger??

[Jon@MagnaCharger]

Originally Posted by radz28

I like the points about intake and fuel. I know it won't take much to run CAI on the Maggy, but you loose their warranty and can get into smog isssues, if you live in certain areas. The KB is (or already has and I haven't noticed) seeking to pass the smog issues but already has a great complete intake system that's upgradable with a huge filter. The fuel is addressed, to a point, with the KB.

The reason we retain the factory air box and changing it negates the CARB EO# is that in order to remain emissions legal the factory Carbon Trap must be retained. In most cars that carbon trap is located in the stock air box. Also, a CAI requires a custom tune and the supplied tune is part of the CARB EO#'d package.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRSM6

I've seen both kits installed and dyno'd on similar builds. I don't think you can go wrong with either kit. Looks wise, I like the KB. Power throught the power band is close. I don't think I could afford to excede the limits of either SC with the high cost's involved in divorce in CA after my wife found out.

My final decision is going to come down to what looks best sitting in my engine compartment. When both units have great gains and are very close from mash-red line, You've got to go with what you would be the most comfortable maintaining and looking at.

For me, right now, the choice would be KB. I know I would have to drop the pulley size to keep from rubbing my fire blanket, but I want over 600rwhp anyway and you have to do that with either kit to get there.

It'd be nice to see some more reviews and experiences with the KB, but Magnuson is well established. Still, I really respect this post

Originally Posted by Jon@MagnaCharger

The reason we retain the factory air box and changing it negates the CARB EO# is that in order to remain emissions legal the factory Carbon Trap must be retained. In most cars that carbon trap is located in the stock air box. Also, a CAI requires a custom tune and the supplied tune is part of the CARB EO#'d package.

I should've been more clear in my post, but I didn't want to go on-and-on. Can you comment on where and how that stupid trap is oriented in the box? Is it permanent, or is it removable like I thought the older Mustinks traps were? Still, while I don't totally like the way KB went about mounting the OEM upper airbox. I will freely admit I've only been able to find one article on this kit on CAMARO, and maybe the one shot of the OEM airbox that was in the article was not totally accurate, but it just wasn't that appealing. I DO like the idea of that huge intake tube though. Still, it seems fairly even for those of us planning on boosting OEM shortblocks, like me.



If you want a taste of an exemplary sample of customer service, go check out the thread about the a Maggy install. Short answer - Magnuson took care of everything

JMVHO.

[2010SSRSM6]

The carbon filter is fixed to the top of the OEM airbox lid. I haven't seen a single KB install with the factory lid. I honestly didn't know that was an option.

oh, and thanks for the

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by radz28

If you want a taste of an exemplary sample of customer service, go check out the thread about the a Maggy install. Short answer - Magnuson took care of everything

JMVHO.

Completely agree. Magnuson did a awesome thing right there! God this choice is going to kill me.

Everytime I think i've made my mind up about the KB, I read something like that and the maggie squeeks back into the lead. Why couldn't there be a huge difference in performance between the two units so this would be an easy choice.

[mikepage0007]

move to florida..lol

[Hendrix-Engineering]

I cannot coment on KB. I have built many maggie cars including the fastest 6 speed GTO in 06 making 647 rwhp with a 122 which is not near the blower the TVS is and this is with a ls1 on pump gas and no meth.Im currently working on a 2300 in a GTO that has made over 720 rwhp with no meth on pump gas and i hope to get 800rwhp on e 85 and a new tb.I have always had great results with the magnason and if i ever needed anything they were just a phone call away.

[old motorhead]

Do K'bell's actually exist on LS motors? I've never seen one. Maybe I've lead a sheltered life. I've been hearing, for several years now, how the KB's are going to re-invent all things f/i for the LS platform. If they're that good, maybe I'm a dumbass for using Maggies for about 5 years now. The Maggies are actually kind of boring in a sense. No drama, no surprises, they just work and work well. I'm wondering why anyone would chance their hard earned $'s on something that "might" work as good.

I haven't seen any evidence that they work any better at power levels one would desire for a street ride. I'm not sure they're even as good as the Maggie at power levels south of 700 rwhp. Sure, if you're shooting for a thousand hp, a bigger blower would be better. But, if I'm building something like that, the blower won't be on top of the motor with a tiny intercooler underneath.

[mikepage0007]

show me a maggie that looks and runs this good, 7lbs boost 569rwhp and 520 tq, with NO other mods except a magnaflow cat back..i concur maggie is a good sc, but i will stick with my kb..shelby with 2.8 kb had no problem handling the fastlane 1k hp twin turbo camaro on supercars, but i sure would of like to see ford kb shelby matched up to a built internal kb camaro.. oh that dyno was in june florida heat with 100 degree heat index day and 80% humidity..wait till i dyno in december in 70 degree day

[TAG UR IT]

Ugh...that IS gorgeous... DROOL!!!!

[toast]

I can not speak of the performance of KB ... but I can tell you that Magnuson customer service, follow-up support and reliability are through the roof. Way above and beyond. This kit has been working for a long time on the 2010 Camaro so it is totally dialed in and reliable. If you want to add a lot of power without breaking the bank and you are not interested in being a part of beta testing, just bolt on and enjoy your car, the Maggie is the ticket. If you don't intend to make a career of working on your car, but you do enjoy having a hand in the build, this kit is perfect. The Magna Charger installation is very do-able for a shade tree do-it yourselfer. The installation instructions are clear and complete.

In any case you certainly will be satisfied choosing the Magna Charger.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by SSCamaro2010

Pros and cons for both would be apriciated...

Here is my take on them ..

at low boost, they will both perform about the same and put out about the same numbers .. where the KB will shine is when you go fully built and low compression so you can turn that boost up!!

Crowley

[usmcjlp]

That was my thinking which is why I went with KB.

[old motorhead]

Originally Posted by Crowley

Here is my take on them ..

at low boost, they will both perform about the same and put out about the same numbers .. where the KB will shine is when you go fully built and low compression so you can turn that boost up!!

Crowley

What good is 15 or 20psi of 200+ degree air? Sure the KB can blow it, but aren't you still limited by the small intercooler under the blower?

[BigDan]

^ The intercooler under the blower isnt the problem, its the size/efficiency of the front mount heat exchanger. When you start running 15-20psi you need to look at dual pass heat exchangers with dual fan's and larger IC resivoirs just like the Cobra guy's have been doing for years now. The aftermarket hasn't caught up yet to the 20psi SS owners yet but give it some time. Some 19psi Cobra's are actually seeing below ambient air temps in the Killer Chiller which cools your IC coolant by using the AC system.