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Verbolten · 09-17-2012, 04:32 PM

Dual mode exhaust, man trans only. If you select Auto trans, Dual mode will uncheck automatically.

PYROLYSIS · 09-17-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcchuck

Dual mode exhaust, man trans only. If you select Auto trans, Dual mode will uncheck automatically.

I think that's only for V-8s. I think you can get it with both transmissions on the V-6.

GearheadSS · 09-20-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

I think that's only for V-8s. I think you can get it with both transmissions on the V-6.

As of now, it's the same on the LT as well. I haven't been able to order an automatic LT with the NPP.

tramtwo · 12-10-2012, 10:34 AM

IMO the sound quality on the zune is soooooo much better than the ipod. This has me bummed.

JimE · 12-11-2012, 09:33 PM

Have you tested or personally seen tested a Zune and an iPod? Assuming the same source files are used on both, sound quality should be the same.

tramtwo · 12-11-2012, 11:26 PM

Nope not even close... different compression rates and methods. But thanks for posting.

The IOM Ninja · 12-12-2012, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JimE

Have you tested or personally seen tested a Zune and an iPod? Assuming the same source files are used on both, sound quality should be the same.

The Zune has better audio processing. Something it has always been praised for is sounding much better than the iPod.

GearheadSS · 12-12-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tramtwo

IMO the sound quality on the zune is soooooo much better than the ipod. This has me bummed.

I have a Zune HD and an old brick Zune. The HD never worked very well, even on the non Mylink radio. The old brick Zune works great on the non Mylink radio most of the time. The only issue I have is that it will sometimes give an error message that the device is not supported, mid-song. I hvae to unplug it and then plug it in again and it starts working.

It does suck that Zune isn't supported on the Mylink though. I really don't want to have to buy an ipod if I ever buy a Mylink equipped car.

david.inga · 12-12-2012, 10:45 AM

I am sure this has already been posted in this massive thread...

Dual mode exhaust is also available on the 2LT model.

JimE · 12-12-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

The Zune has better audio processing. Something it has always been praised for is sounding much better than the iPod.

I can understand that when using headphones/ear buds. As the unit is performing the processing (ie: digital to analog conversion). When attached to an external device, such a car radio, no processing occurs. The device is simply reading and transmitting the digital data (no different than using a USB drive). The car radio performs the processing.

tramtwo · 12-12-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JimE

I can understand that when using headphones/ear buds. As the unit is performing the processing (ie: digital to analog conversion). When attached to an external device, such a car radio, no processing occurs. The device is simply reading and transmitting the digital data (no different than using a USB drive). The car radio performs the processing.

Sorry but you're not correct. How the compressed music is stored will impact the playback quality tremendously. The head unit is doing no processing it is just routing the signal to the amp.

JimE · 12-12-2012, 10:45 PM

The head unit has to process the data, it's digital. The amp and speakers use an analog signal. Any device (iPod, USB stick, phone, etc.) that connects to the USB port is feeding (actually the headunit is reading the data) a digital signal to the headunit, which is then processed (DAC) and fed to the amp.

Now if you are using an analog input (ie: 3.5mm audio input) to the headunit, that's a different story.

And it doesn't matter if it's compressed or not. It's DIGITAL. It has to be converted to analog for the amp/speakers.

tramtwo · 12-12-2012, 11:24 PM

So original compression doesn't matter at all..... Ok.

JimE · 12-13-2012, 06:00 PM

Sure, we are talking about apples and oranges, so lets through pears into the argument as well.

It is ASSUMED, that if you are comparing the processing ability of multiple pieces of hardware, that the source files are all the same. Thus the compression does not matter. Yes it affects the quality of the sound, but this is concerning the processing ability of the various devices. Not how the source files affect sound quality.

Four major components involved here: storage (digital data) > DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) > processing/enhancements (bass/treble/EQ/Dolby/etc.) > amp > speakers

The argument that the Zune is better than the iPod (which varies depending on the iPod model - a few iPod models are equal or better) is found to be in the enhancement and amp stages. The iPod performs no extra processing, simply passing the true audio. Whether this is good or bad, is a personal preference. The Zune performs processing to "clean" up the signal and it has a better amp. Better amp equals cleaner sound and the ability to drive the speakers better.

Having said all of that, as previously noted, when a digital device is connected via digital connection to another device (in this case, the car stereo), the DAC and everything after it is removed from the equation. So a Zune being "better" than an iPod is irrelevant. It's simply being used as a storage device. The only way processing ability would matter is if it is being connected using an analog port.

So, back to my original question, has anyone tested BOTH in the same car to provide any real feedback? I have no doubt that some brands/models interface better with the radio. But I wouldn't expect "sound quality" to be an argument to choose one device over another.

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Verbolten Drives: someday a convertible Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: PA Posts: 266	Dual mode exhaust, man trans only. If you select Auto trans, Dual mode will uncheck automatically.

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JimE Drives: 2013 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 3,087	Have you tested or personally seen tested a Zune and an iPod? Assuming the same source files are used on both, sound quality should be the same.

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tramtwo Drives: 2021 1LE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: N'Awlinz Posts: 6,315	Nope not even close... different compression rates and methods. But thanks for posting.

12-12-2012, 10:45 PM	#278
JimE Drives: 2013 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 3,087	The head unit has to process the data, it's digital. The amp and speakers use an analog signal. Any device (iPod, USB stick, phone, etc.) that connects to the USB port is feeding (actually the headunit is reading the data) a digital signal to the headunit, which is then processed (DAC) and fed to the amp. Now if you are using an analog input (ie: 3.5mm audio input) to the headunit, that's a different story. And it doesn't matter if it's compressed or not. It's DIGITAL. It has to be converted to analog for the amp/speakers.

12-12-2012, 11:24 PM	#279
tramtwo Drives: 2021 1LE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: N'Awlinz Posts: 6,315	So original compression doesn't matter at all..... Ok.

12-13-2012, 06:00 PM	#280
JimE Drives: 2013 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 3,087	Sure, we are talking about apples and oranges, so lets through pears into the argument as well. It is ASSUMED, that if you are comparing the processing ability of multiple pieces of hardware, that the source files are all the same. Thus the compression does not matter. Yes it affects the quality of the sound, but this is concerning the processing ability of the various devices. Not how the source files affect sound quality. Four major components involved here: storage (digital data) > DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) > processing/enhancements (bass/treble/EQ/Dolby/etc.) > amp > speakers The argument that the Zune is better than the iPod (which varies depending on the iPod model - a few iPod models are equal or better) is found to be in the enhancement and amp stages. The iPod performs no extra processing, simply passing the true audio. Whether this is good or bad, is a personal preference. The Zune performs processing to "clean" up the signal and it has a better amp. Better amp equals cleaner sound and the ability to drive the speakers better. Having said all of that, as previously noted, when a digital device is connected via digital connection to another device (in this case, the car stereo), the DAC and everything after it is removed from the equation. So a Zune being "better" than an iPod is irrelevant. It's simply being used as a storage device. The only way processing ability would matter is if it is being connected using an analog port. So, back to my original question, has anyone tested BOTH in the same car to provide any real feedback? I have no doubt that some brands/models interface better with the radio. But I wouldn't expect "sound quality" to be an argument to choose one device over another.