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hammdo · 02-03-2015, 05:56 PM

Well, got a leak in the differential after the 3.45 gears were put in. We'll figure that out but man, is the oil all over the rear of the car. Got some cleaning to do first to id where it's coming from. Looks like the seals. Oh, well, gotta pay to play...

-Don

Firefighter · 02-03-2015, 06:16 PM

Sounds like the old Saginaw 10 and 12 bolts GM used for a hundred years... if it wasn't covered with oil it was empty... lol

Fix it and get back at it man... lol

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hammdo · 02-03-2015, 06:57 PM

Yep, just waiting to see what the next steps are. Sh** happens so that's the name of that tune ;o)...

Trying to find out if the seals were replaced or not. Seems that would be done when doing the differential gears -- since the seals total around $20+ for all three (for the 2011 2SS non SC and I'm 400 miles away), but I don't know yet..

-Don

rich3fan · 02-03-2015, 10:29 PM

I think an accomplishment like this requires celebration at the location of your choice Don. Text or PM me with some ideas and I'll get the ball rolling.

hammdo · 02-03-2015, 10:31 PM

Hum..that sounds like a plan. I do need to fix the seals first but I like that idea!

I'll send it to you ...

Thanks!

-Don

62nalide · 02-04-2015, 03:39 AM

Thanks for the gears Don!

hammdo · 02-04-2015, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 62nalide

Thanks for the gears Don!

You bet! I want to see how it goes NOW that you have those. It should really move....

-Don

hammdo · 02-04-2015, 09:14 AM

Ryan from GPI says he'll take care of the repair on the seals! Thanks Ryan!

-Don

rich3fan · 02-04-2015, 11:16 AM

Hey I want free stuff too!

hammdo · 02-04-2015, 11:32 AM

Nothing is FREE dude ;o)

-Don

hammdo · 02-04-2015, 04:34 PM

Well, I think this one is going to be more than seals. Working though that now.

I'll keep everyone posted...

-Don

hammdo · 02-04-2015, 06:42 PM

OK, started on the removal of the differential. Jacked up the rear of the car as high as I could and removed the exhaust.

First I removed the muffler delete (so I could have more room):

Didn't take that long -- about 10 minutes. I first removed the hanger that was holding on the exhaust tip and then removed the j-pipe. Once those were off, I was able to remove the muffler delete.

Have a set of new magnaflows from JDP (awesome deal) so these are going bye-bye ;o). Also have a new JacFab no-drill license plate to install -- that thing is SWEET!

Next, I removed the x-pipe/resonator off of the rubber mounts near the differential. I then removed the well brace that was covering the exhaust (bag n tagged the bolts) and mark driver's side of the brace. Once that was removed I used a jack to hold up the exhaust and removed the clamps from the rear of the cats. Just pushed back and off it came -- put aside for later modification (for the magnaflows):

Next, draining the fluid -- pretty nasty on the drain plug after only 400 miles:

Fluid that was left in the differential:

I'm getting an un-easy feeling about this. Won't know until I get the differential down and open it up, but kind-of worried...

More to come...

-Don

hammdo · 02-04-2015, 09:32 PM

OK differential is out. I believe the big piece of metal I found was from the castings in the housing. Found one spot that looks like it came off during install of the gears. Pinion and Ring look good -- no chips. Spyder gears, from what I could see, look fine too -- didn't hear any kind of 'grinding' from the bearings.

Here are some shots of the inside:

Now, this was something that should be replaced and then, knocked down into the pinion (the pinion nut):

Appears none of the seals were replaced nor, a new gasket (no new silicone it appears either). That may be normal -- but this is the second time this was opened up, so I think caution (and the fact I drove 400 miles each way) would warrant some 'safety' factor as a precaution -- I don't mine paying for that if need be...

According to the manual, the pinion nut must be replaced and notched into the pinion shaft -- this one (above) does not look like that happened:

After inspection, cleaned the inside (just with towels and no cleaner) and then covered up my work...

I'm not feel'n like this one was up to GPI's standards. I'm confident Ryan will make it right -- he is an honest and upright person (no, he did not do this job)...

Now with this out, I'll be able to clean the oil. I think, to make install easier, I'll probably have to undo the right wheel and do the removal just like I did on the left -- we'll see, it was a lot easier to drop following this guide:

http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...ation-reva.pdf

-Don

ADM PERFORMANCE · 02-05-2015, 07:59 AM

Its Standard procedure to replace axle seals at our shop,pre dif install,Its very simple once out of the car but a huge pain in the car. Im sure who ever did the work will take care of this.

Congrats on getting it dialed in.

02-03-2015, 06:16 PM	#282
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	Sounds like the old Saginaw 10 and 12 bolts GM used for a hundred years... if it wasn't covered with oil it was empty... lol Fix it and get back at it man... lol Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054

02-03-2015, 10:29 PM	#284
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	I think an accomplishment like this requires celebration at the location of your choice Don. Text or PM me with some ideas and I'll get the ball rolling. __________________ 2019 Black & Red & Silver 2SS - Bone Stock

02-04-2015, 03:39 AM	#286
62nalide Drives: 2013 SS Join Date: May 2013 Location: DFW Posts: 4,102	Thanks for the gears Don! __________________ https://frankensteined.net/ Martin@Frankensteined.net

02-04-2015, 11:16 AM	#289
rich3fan What's this button do? Drives: 2019 Black 2SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Wylie, Texas Posts: 1,364	Hey I want free stuff too! __________________ 2019 Black & Red & Silver 2SS - Bone Stock

02-04-2015, 06:42 PM	#292
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	OK, started on the removal of the differential. Jacked up the rear of the car as high as I could and removed the exhaust. First I removed the muffler delete (so I could have more room): Didn't take that long -- about 10 minutes. I first removed the hanger that was holding on the exhaust tip and then removed the j-pipe. Once those were off, I was able to remove the muffler delete. Have a set of new magnaflows from JDP (awesome deal) so these are going bye-bye ;o). Also have a new JacFab no-drill license plate to install -- that thing is SWEET! Next, I removed the x-pipe/resonator off of the rubber mounts near the differential. I then removed the well brace that was covering the exhaust (bag n tagged the bolts) and mark driver's side of the brace. Once that was removed I used a jack to hold up the exhaust and removed the clamps from the rear of the cats. Just pushed back and off it came -- put aside for later modification (for the magnaflows): Next, draining the fluid -- pretty nasty on the drain plug after only 400 miles: Fluid that was left in the differential: I'm getting an un-easy feeling about this. Won't know until I get the differential down and open it up, but kind-of worried... More to come... -Don Last edited by hammdo; 12-11-2015 at 12:43 PM.

02-03-2015, 05:56 PM	#281
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Well, got a leak in the differential after the 3.45 gears were put in. We'll figure that out but man, is the oil all over the rear of the car. Got some cleaning to do first to id where it's coming from. Looks like the seals. Oh, well, gotta pay to play... -Don

02-03-2015, 06:57 PM	#283
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Yep, just waiting to see what the next steps are. Sh** happens so that's the name of that tune ;o)... Trying to find out if the seals were replaced or not. Seems that would be done when doing the differential gears -- since the seals total around $20+ for all three (for the 2011 2SS non SC and I'm 400 miles away), but I don't know yet.. -Don

02-03-2015, 10:31 PM	#285
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Hum..that sounds like a plan. I do need to fix the seals first but I like that idea! I'll send it to you ... Thanks! -Don

02-04-2015, 09:14 AM	#288
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Ryan from GPI says he'll take care of the repair on the seals! Thanks Ryan! -Don

02-04-2015, 11:32 AM	#290
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Nothing is FREE dude ;o) -Don

02-04-2015, 04:34 PM	#291
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Well, I think this one is going to be more than seals. Working though that now. I'll keep everyone posted... -Don

02-04-2015, 09:32 PM	#293
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	OK differential is out. I believe the big piece of metal I found was from the castings in the housing. Found one spot that looks like it came off during install of the gears. Pinion and Ring look good -- no chips. Spyder gears, from what I could see, look fine too -- didn't hear any kind of 'grinding' from the bearings. Here are some shots of the inside: Now, this was something that should be replaced and then, knocked down into the pinion (the pinion nut): Appears none of the seals were replaced nor, a new gasket (no new silicone it appears either). That may be normal -- but this is the second time this was opened up, so I think caution (and the fact I drove 400 miles each way) would warrant some 'safety' factor as a precaution -- I don't mine paying for that if need be... According to the manual, the pinion nut must be replaced and notched into the pinion shaft -- this one (above) does not look like that happened: After inspection, cleaned the inside (just with towels and no cleaner) and then covered up my work... I'm not feel'n like this one was up to GPI's standards. I'm confident Ryan will make it right -- he is an honest and upright person (no, he did not do this job)... Now with this out, I'll be able to clean the oil. I think, to make install easier, I'll probably have to undo the right wheel and do the removal just like I did on the left -- we'll see, it was a lot easier to drop following this guide: http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...ation-reva.pdf -Don Last edited by hammdo; 12-11-2015 at 12:44 PM.

02-05-2015, 07:59 AM	#294
ADM PERFORMANCE Drives: Anything I want Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DfW - Texas Posts: 5,407	Oh man Its Standard procedure to replace axle seals at our shop,pre dif install,Its very simple once out of the car but a huge pain in the car. Im sure who ever did the work will take care of this. Congrats on getting it dialed in.