ZL1 and 1LE Very Impressive Results at Car and Driver Annual Lighting Lap #7 @ VIR - Page 22 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

GearBangr · 01-02-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KKreme15

This wasn't an everyday driver, this was an SVT engineer. Camaro engineer did 2:52 at VIR. As for the lighting lap, it was same day same driver - so the 2011 time is moot

Yep, the 1le did a 2:58 with the gm engineer driving.

2cnd chance · 01-02-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Not arguing with you by any means, but anything you can do to a ZL1 you can do to a GT500 and more (engine wise) once you mod it all goes out the window.

In my opinion when comparing modded cars you have to use total $$$$$ spent as a base.

jroc7 · 01-02-2013, 01:11 PM

What's really impressive is how the Camaro's (even the 1LE) faired against the Jag and the LFA. Considering the cost of those cars, I wouldn't want to be the guy who just bought one and then read these results. Think about it, a car you could drive everyday, that will beat a XKR-S, 911-S, and a M6, for less than $60K. I need a raise so I can get one!

The IOM Ninja · 01-02-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jroc7

What's really impressive is how the Camaro's (even the 1LE) faired against the Jag and the LFA. Considering the cost of those cars, I wouldn't want to be the guy who just bought one and then read these results. Think about it, a car you could drive everyday, that will beat a XKR-S, 911-S, and a M6, for less than $60K. I need a raise so I can get one!

Agreed, if I was going to buy a Camaro that was built for the track it would be the 1LE. If they put an LS7 in it you can pretty much bet they will get times that beat or at least keep up to the ZL1. My guess is beat though…..

GearBangr · 01-02-2013, 01:36 PM

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...gt_track_pack/

This was posted elsewhere, but I thought I would add fuel to the fire.
What surprised me the most was how close the two were in acceleration.

Taser Deployed · 01-02-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Agreed, if I was going to buy a Camaro that was built for the track it would be the 1LE. If they put an LS7 in it you can pretty much bet they will get times that beat or at least keep up to the ZL1. My guess is beat though…..

If that's the case there are going to be some PO'd ZL1 owners. It may be acceptable if the car cost more than a ZL1 but that would make it a 70K Camaro!

Taser Deployed · 01-02-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Agreed, if I was going to buy a Camaro that was built for the track it would be the 1LE. If they put an LS7 in it you can pretty much bet they will get times that beat or at least keep up to the ZL1. My guess is beat though…..

Now that I think about it even more that's like a Z06 outpacing a ZR1. I don't think that would be a smart business decision by Chevrolet. ZL1 sales would plummet unless an LS7 equipped SS had more to it than just the engine and it would have to cost more than a ZL1.

The IOM Ninja · 01-02-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Taser Deployed

Now that I think about it even more that's like a Z06 outpacing a ZR1. I don't think that would be a smart business decision by Chevrolet. ZL1 sales would plummet unless an LS7 equipped SS had more to it than just the engine and it would have to cost more than a ZL1.

I'm willing to bet that on the right track a Z06 could/would out pace a ZR1. After all it has a heat soaking supercharger. And they're not too far from each other in terms of performance.

hognutz · 01-02-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

I'm willing to bet that on the right track a Z06 could/would out pace a ZR1. After all it has a heat soaking supercharger. And they're not too far from each other in terms of performance.

only with the carbon or Z07 would that be remotely possible.

the Zr1 is more car than the stock base Z06 by leaps and bounds. The Z07 on paper seems to really work but i have not been in one or driven one.

I would love to see what a 1le with a LS7 would do. I still think the ZL1 is is a better looking car. if they build it cheap it will piss some people off for sure though. if it is 55k as well though I could care less.

69NMYSS · 01-02-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Not arguing with you by any means, but anything you can do to a ZL1 you can do to a GT500 and more (engine wise) once you mod it all goes out the window.

Correct, but the GT500 comparably equipped is about $5k more than the ZL1. All you need is $2k (H/X, pulley, CAI) and you would have more power than the GT500 and would still have cost $3k less than the GT500. A ZL1 with 680hp would annilhate the GT500 on a road course (already does with 580hp as indicated by the 3 second stomp at VIR), still be more comfortable to drive, still have an awesome PTM system and one of the most advanced suspension systems out there, and would likely outrun the GT500 in the 1/4, all while costing $3k less.

I love the GT500 and think its pretty damn impressive what they have done with that motor and a live axle.

However, the cost ($$) have to be considered when comparing vehicles. My point, when comparing the ZL1 and GT500, for the money, the ZL1 is hands down the better purchase as far as performance. Not sure how that can be argued, but I guess there are those narrow minded ones that just cannot rationally think about it?

DanSS24 · 01-02-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crim

The biggest reason for N/A is you don't end up with a heat soaked super charger pulling timing and killing power.

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Originally Posted by jackka

A little off-topic on my part, but out of curiosity,

does being naturally aspirated and high-revving actually provide a performance advantage compared to forced induction counterparts of equivalent specs or is it just the sound and feel of the engine that adds to the thrill?

Crim got it spot on ^, plus, the added power up to the rev limiter. But the biggest reason is, I just prefer natural things. It's like implants, they look nice but I just love the natural feeling of it.

Ooops...got carried away for a bit.

DanSS24 · 01-02-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GearBangr

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...gt_track_pack/

This was posted elsewhere, but I thought I would add fuel to the fire.
What surprised me the most was how close the two were in acceleration.

What's interesting also, in the photos they showed comparisons of the interior, exterior and engine. But they only showed Randy giving a thumbs up

while sitting the Camaro. Where's the reaction in the Mustang?

SRT8Tech · 01-02-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DanSS24

What's interesting also, in the photos they showed comparisons of the interior, exterior and engine. But they only showed Randy giving a thumbs up

while sitting the Camaro. Where's the reaction in the Mustang?

Randy....the same guy that said he likes to drive the Mustang more because it HAS BETTER BALANCE......that guy????

silverds · 01-02-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Randy....the same guy that said he likes to drive the Mustang more because it HAS BETTER BALANCE......that guy????

Is "Balance" subjective?

2013 GT500 Coupe Weight Distribution 57/43
2012 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Weight Distribution 51/49

01-02-2013, 01:11 PM	#297
jroc7 Drives: * Join Date: May 2010 Location: * Posts: 93 View My Garage	What's really impressive is how the Camaro's (even the 1LE) faired against the Jag and the LFA. Considering the cost of those cars, I wouldn't want to be the guy who just bought one and then read these results. Think about it, a car you could drive everyday, that will beat a XKR-S, 911-S, and a M6, for less than $60K. I need a raise so I can get one!

01-02-2013, 01:36 PM	#299
GearBangr Drives: 97Z,02TA Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: TX Posts: 174	http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...gt_track_pack/ This was posted elsewhere, but I thought I would add fuel to the fire. What surprised me the most was how close the two were in acceleration.