the Z28 Returns??

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by memoriter

It makes no difference how you look at it - if the CTS-V can reach a top speed of 193, there's no doubt in my mind we're going to see a 200mph production Z/28. The idea is pretty astounding but entirely possible.

Though, for the sake of the new Z/28's future reputation, I hope it's very expensive.

The last thing we need is a group of morons getting their hands on supercars, just to beat them to pieces over the next twenty years - not to mention all the tuner kids ready and willing to butcher them up... The Camaro has always been my favorite car, but I have to admit - it's gotten a bad rap over time from village idiots, battered housewives, druggies, trailer trash, etc..

The last thing I want is the new Camaro to fall victim to the same process. Of course, this slightly higher starting price (which reflects the technological advancements of the new car) will help keep that from happening.

Either way, I'd say GM will hold off on production for a little bit due to the financial crisis. It wouldn't look good to the government if they started building a new supercar with the bailout money they've been given.

Either way, I seriously would love to see that thing rocket around the Nurburgring faster than almost everything else, while costing less than half as much. I'd be proud.

while I agree with you on most of it, I DONT want it to be VERY expensive. that would take away from part of the heritage of the Z28 as being the poor mans corvette. (even tho now you can get a used vette for less than a new camaro) but I would hate to see it bust $50-55k. now, if it was a ZL1 or something like that, charge whatever the hell you want. but the Z28 is the poor mans race car. as for the bad rap, that can be said about nearly any car, just with a different demographic.

Originally Posted by wildpaws

I would certainly think the cross ram was considered stock as it could be ordered from the factory though it was delivered as a unit (cross ram intake with two Holley four barrels) in the trunk and not installed on the engine at the factory. I've always considered anything that could be ordered from the factory as stock as I'm sure most others would. I think you're really just playing a semantics game here as several of the auto magazines back in the day did "stock tests" of the cross ram dual quads.
Clyde

I know it was available as a factory order, but it wasnt installed from the factory. which is why I dont consider it stock. and there are numerous options that go the same way, but I'm picky about certain things.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

while I agree with you on most of it, I DONT want it to be VERY expensive. that would take away from part of the heritage of the Z28 as being the poor mans corvette. (even tho now you can get a used vette for less than a new camaro) but I would hate to see it bust $50-55k. now, if it was a ZL1 or something like that, charge whatever the hell you want. but the Z28 is the poor mans race car. as for the bad rap, that can be said about nearly any car, just with a different demographic.



I know it was available as a factory order, but it wasnt installed from the factory. which is why I dont consider it stock. and there are numerous options that go the same way, but I'm picky about certain things.

Either way Z28 comes, I just hope it remains no more than a GT500...

I'm on the fence regarding what "stock" means. To me, stock is something that is an option for/on that car but it doesn't necessarily have to be installed at the factory (although, that's a little of a problem for me too). Everything else is an accessory. I can see the cross ram (maybe because I think it was just one of the coolest things on those cars in the day) as "stock" but changing heads from a GMPP catalog is not "stock". I'm not saying that's what's being said in the last few posts. I can't really consider anything that doesn't have RPO codes to be stock I guess...

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Either way Z28 comes, I just hope it remains no more than a GT500...

I'm on the fence regarding what "stock" means. To me, stock is something that is an option for/on that car but it doesn't necessarily have to be installed at the factory (although, that's a little of a problem for me too). Everything else is an accessory. I can see the cross ram (maybe because I think it was just one of the coolest things on those cars in the day) as "stock" but changing heads from a GMPP catalog is not "stock". I'm not saying that's what's being said in the last few posts. I can't really consider anything that doesn't have RPO codes to be stock I guess...

well, I guess, technically it came "stock" with the cross-ram......


































in the trunk...lol

[radz28]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

well, I guess, technically it came "stock" with the cross-ram......



in the trunk...lol

I guess it was their way to get the enthusiast the good stuff. I'm down with that. Give me a super-stout long block and I'll handle whatever they can put in the trunk Were there tuning problems with the carbs' or something with that manifold? Is that why they stuck it back there? I can't remember reading why they did that.

[ZeeTwentyFour]

ZOMG THE 2/28 is real!@>!@#speculations!#$!#!@%

[The Great KJ]

How funny, sat down at Great Clips this AM to wait my turn and picked up the M/T April 2009 edition and saw M/T talking up the Z/28. Had a nice pic to go with the article. God I hope it's true.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

while I agree with you on most of it, I DONT want it to be VERY expensive. that would take away from part of the heritage of the Z28 as being the poor mans corvette. (even tho now you can get a used vette for less than a new camaro) but I would hate to see it bust $50-55k. now, if it was a ZL1 or something like that, charge whatever the hell you want. but the Z28 is the poor mans race car. as for the bad rap, that can be said about nearly any car, just with a different demographic.



I know it was available as a factory order, but it wasnt installed from the factory. which is why I dont consider it stock. and there are numerous options that go the same way, but I'm picky about certain things.

You can be "picky" about certain things, that's your preogative, but just because you don't think it is not stock is no reason to pronounce to the rest of the world that it's fact that it was not stock. Sorry, available from the factory equals stock for the vast majority of the public as well as the well known car magazines.
Clyde

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I guess it was their way to get the enthusiast the good stuff. I'm down with that. Give me a super-stout long block and I'll handle whatever they can put in the trunk Were there tuning problems with the carbs' or something with that manifold? Is that why they stuck it back there? I can't remember reading why they did that.

It had to do with Chevy's official position on racing at that point in time. Chevy had "officially" pulled out of racing, even to the point of only allowing so many HP per lb of car weight for production cars. Z/28 race team developers Penske Racing and Traco engineers and test vehicles had to be "quietly" snuck in to the Milford Proving Grounds for testing. Hardware developed for racing needs was almost always designated as "Heavy Duty Service" equipment and many of the HD Service equipment items were simply put in the trunk for dealer installation when ordered from the factory, including but not limited to: cross ram manifold with two four barrels, headers, special HD 4 wheel disk brake system, fiberglas cowl induction hood (the steel cowl induction version was installed at the factory), and so on. While they could be ordered from the factory, they were shipped as "dealer install" items to circumvent Chevy's internal ban on anything associated with racing.
Clyde

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

You can be "picky" about certain things, that's your preogative, but just because you don't think it is not stock is no reason to pronounce to the rest of the world that it's fact that it was not stock. Sorry, available from the factory equals stock for the vast majority of the public as well as the well known car magazines.
Clyde

well, then I'll just order an LS9 from the factory and have them put it in the trunk of the car when they ship it to me. so its "stock"

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

well, then I'll just order an LS9 from the factory and have them put it in the trunk of the car when they ship it to me. so its "stock"

So technically speaking if I do a LSX454 swap its stock because I bought it from GM? lmao

[radz28]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

It had to do with Chevy's official position on racing at that point in time. Chevy had "officially" pulled out of racing, even to the point of only allowing so many HP per lb of car weight for production cars. Z/28 race team developers Penske Racing and Traco engineers and test vehicles had to be "quietly" snuck in to the Milford Proving Grounds for testing. Hardware developed for racing needs was almost always designated as "Heavy Duty Service" equipment and many of the HD Service equipment items were simply put in the trunk for dealer installation when ordered from the factory, including but not limited to: cross ram manifold with two four barrels, headers, special HD 4 wheel disk brake system, fiberglas cowl induction hood (the steel cowl induction version was installed at the factory), and so on. While they could be ordered from the factory, they were shipped as "dealer install" items to circumvent Chevy's internal ban on anything associated with racing.
Clyde

AHH! That's right! The backdoor deal. Very sneaky. I wish they could do that with this car, LOL!

Thanks - as always 'Paws

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

well, then I'll just order an LS9 from the factory and have them put it in the trunk of the car when they ship it to me. so its "stock"

Where the Heck am I going to find $20K+ for that?!

[Camaro68]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

There is no solid evidence of a Z28. There is imaginary evidence, though. I just made some up in my head.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

well, then I'll just order an LS9 from the factory and have them put it in the trunk of the car when they ship it to me. so its "stock"

"A stock car, in the original sense of the term, described an automobile that has not been modified from its original factory configuration."



Now im not going to pretend to know whether or not some car 50 years ago came with cross ram... hell im not even going to pretend that i care. But if it came mass produced from the factory, its stock and if it came from the performance parts division after the ORIGINAL FACTORY CONFIGURATION than its modified.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

"A stock car, in the original sense of the term, described an automobile that has not been modified from its original factory configuration."



Now im not going to pretend to know whether or not some car 50 years ago came with cross ram... hell im not even going to pretend that i care. But if it came mass produced from the factory, its stock and if it came from the performance parts division after the ORIGINAL FACTORY CONFIGURATION than its modified.

The cross ram was listed as an available option from the factory and could be ordered when you placed your new Z/28 order at the dealership, it just was not installed at the factory. It could also be purchased as a Heavy Duty Service item at the parts counter and installed by the dealer or you could install that yourself. As far as I'm concerned if it was a configuration that could be ordered from the factory then it is stock, if it was ordered over the parts counter and installed then it was not stock from the factory. There were far more ordered over the parts counter and placed on Z/28s that had originally been single four barrels than there were cross rams ordered through the factory. I don't see the issue as much different than the stripe issues on the fifth gen. (though I think that has been changed now) where some stripe colors were going to be factory installed and other stripe options were to be dealer installed, if the stripes were ordered from the factory but dealer installed then I'd still consider them stock. The dealer installed cross rams that were ordered from the factory with a new Z/28 order came from the factory and not the performance parts division on a seperate order.
Clyde