Tremec Missed 1-2 shifts, Notchy

[ssmike]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

trainjeff24, I would like to direct message you about the issues you are having (speaking of the devil right ssmike?). I would like to do what I can to assist you.

Jeff Morris, Chevrolet Customer Service

Thanks Jeff for jumping in here and helping these guys!

[67motorcat]

I'm really sorry to hear so many people have been having problems with thier 6060.
I have been lurking and reading everyone's issue with interest.

I do feel though that the vast majority of SS manual owners have NOT had any problems,me being one of them, as well as most all the guys here in our local club.
The exception of course would be the early build cars,which there are a couple.

I have no idea of the prodution numbers,maybe a 100,000 Camaros with the 6060 on the road today? Some one here knows the number.

Mine was built in August of 2010 as a 2011 model and from what I understand they are built the same as the later 2010's.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this except my trans works and shifts beautifully.Yes,it is a tad stiff when cold,but no more so than the TKO I had in my 67'.After 5 to 10 minutes it is fine.
It never grinds or pops out or misses the gate.

I will say this though.I have never missed a shift or accidently grinded it.
Knock on wood...

I read here that once that happens the syncro teeth are toast and it's never the same after that.

My Car had 3 miles on it with no previous test drives or Lot Boys doing burnouts on the back lot.Maybe an abuse issue is underlying before delivery when the trans is new and cold and tight.Just throwing it out there.

I also installed a seperate clutch resevoir the 2nd day I had it,Babied the engine and trans for almost 2000 miles.Not sure if that even matters either.

Then I took it to the strip and beat it for all it had.

Now with 6000 miles I must say it is smooth as silk.I am writing this now because I just got back from a drive into town paying extra attention to my trans.It is so sweet,It seems to be getting better and better.Double clutch down shifts into 2nd entering a turn are spot on.
2nd into 3rd hard on the throttle are butter smooth.3rd gear chirps are easy and everytime if i want it.

Am I one of the lucky ones that didn't have a Monday or Friday trans build? I don't know if that even matters.

I guess I must agree there is some sort of general problem with the 6060.
I am gratefull I don't have one and wish nobody else did.

My 2 worthless cents on the subject.Hope you all get it sorted out.

[Alain]

glad to hear your car is top notch. sucks for the rest of us !!!

[OrangeVert]

@Jeff, thanks for being on the forum and helping us out.

All, I ordered a 2011 SS/RS vert, am crossing my fingers the TR6060 will not have any problems. Problems I read about were not enough to keep me from wanting the car. I tend to baby a car, and sure will this one - so hope it will be ok. If there's anything I can do ahead of time to keep this from happening, I'd appreciate someone letting me know.

[Orange Krate]

Story of the Day...

One of my closest friends is in lust after my new Camaro. He lives in Minnesota; we can't visit very often but we literally talk every day. Today he called and told me he took his FORD truck to the CHEVY dealer for a LOF. They were offering a deal on all vehicles so he said...what the heck.

He walked the lot drooling over Camaros. The Service Manager saw him and asked him if he wanted to trade his truck in. He said he would but he was "concerned about the manual transmissions" as he was following the link and the situation here on Camaro5.

He said the Service Mgr's eyes got wide-eyed and retorted "Oh you have heard huh?" My buddy says he has read plenty on it. The Service Mgr said "GM is well aware of the problem but will only fix it if the transmission breaks and then they just swap out the trans. But there is no TSB on it because they want to keep it low key."

As for my buddy, sure you can say this is second hand information, however he has no reason to make this up and he is also a technical specialist and customer service rep for an international equipment company based in Minnesota, and he very well knows how the game is played.

I think a statement like that by a Service Mgr does not do GM or Chevrolet justice. From a business perspective I understand why this is done. From an ethical standpoint GM should issue the TSB and get these cars fixed with whatever means it takes so that they build and take their customer loyalty to a higher level. Just MHO for what it is worth. I do very much appreciate Jeff coming into this forum and providing guidance on behalf of GM. That is good PR and it builds bridges that might otherwise not be crossed.

In the meantime, I wait for my transmission to break because it is grinding and the dealer says they can't duplicate problem and I don't know how to drive it yet, and entered that bovine excretia into the customer database! Uh yeah.

Recap, owned more stick shift cars then I can count, driven hundreds of thousands of miles since 1971 when I got my license and drive 120 miles a day in a stick shift car through Los Angeles commuter traffic.

I am going back to the dealer and register my snivel again. LOL

[Badger]

Great thread...I hope we get some justice..mine goes in next wed. to get looked at ....2nd to 3rd grind when shifting spirited at higher rpm....glad I read this..thanks all

[jomo45]

Thanks for your experience with this 67motorcat, glad your's is good!

Just an update on mine since I started this mess.. I have about 1500 miles on the replacement transmission, and I have babied it. It has been stiff, and it catches/grabs going in to 3rd, but to be fair I have been driving it in cold temps, 10 to 40 degrees. Now that the weather has warmed up, and a few more miles on it, it is getting noticeably smoother. I still haven't really hammered the 2nd gear shift yet, trying to give it a fair chance at breaking in.. When it is fully warmed up, all the shifts are pretty smooth, and no 3rd gear catch/grab. At this point I am hopefull that it may just be ok, but it is the weather to get it out and put more miles on to be sure.

With the number of consistent issues, it seems obvious there are problems with the TR6060. The output shaft issue appears to be limited to certain s/n's, and is probably ok for most people. The various shifting issues appear to be related to the type of synchro material, but no definitive answers as of yet... Keeping the faith though!!

[pk1225]

Great thread, this is my single biggest gripe with the car. "Notchy" describes it well, that feeling of interference you get when performing the 1 - 2 shift.

It's never caused me to miss a shift (the trick is not to grab the shifter but rather to cup it, fingers only/no thumb, and pull straight back), but it's dam annoying not having a nice smooth feel to your shifter. My 2002 SS shifts much better than this new generation SS.

So what I'm hearing is that the aftermarket shifters don't correct the problem?

[piticu667]

You guys think you having problems. Here is my situation. Took my car in for the 7th time. Convinced them to take a look at the tranny. They said its fixed. I complained about grinding 1-2. They said its normal and to drop down my shift speed( BS) . Anyways it was a test. I had to be back to work so i took the car back. Here is what the car is looking like right now:

Take a look at my other videos too.. I wish you guys a lot of luck..

[Orange Krate]

Originally Posted by piticu667

You guys think you having problems. Here is my situation. Took my car in for the 7th time. Convinced them to take a look at the tranny. They said its fixed. I complained about grinding 1-2. They said its normal and to drop down my shift speed( BS) . Anyways it was a test. I had to be back to work so i took the car back. Here is what the car is looking like right now:

Take a look at my other videos too.. I wish you guys a lot of luck..

Sounds like you qualify for the lemon law...at least you would in California. That video says it all! Something is clearly wrong and it would appear who ever built that trans, if it wasnt an exchange, didnt know what in the @#$ they were doing when they worked on it. I don't get it... Automatics have always been more tricky to build than a manual, that is why I bought a manual figuring that it was a sure deal with the trans being simplistic, tough and relatively easy to work on. I underestimated todays mechanical geniuses who designed this particularly unit.. The engineers at TREMEC must have been smoking the whacky tobaccy when they pieced this trans together. I have counted something like 200 different people on this site with similar trans issues. The only ones I havent heard with issues are those who yank their trans' and modify the hell out of them with their own parts. One of my best friends is a State Deputy Atty General for California and I am going to ask a favor and have him look into this situation. This just isn't right and my buddy knows how to get things moving. A TSB would fix this. In the State of California, the law states that if your are driving a manual transmission vehicle and you pop out of gear for any length of time that the car is considered to be "Out of Control". Based on your video piticu667, your car would be out of control and it would be considered a high safety issue/threat to the motoring public! That alone should make it a GM high priority. If you can't steer it or stop it (gearing down) then it should be red flagged and not driven. Your car in its present condition would get red tagged and FAIL the safety check IMHO.

[Alain]

Originally Posted by piticu667

You guys think you having problems. Here is my situation. Took my car in for the 7th time. Convinced them to take a look at the tranny. They said its fixed. I complained about grinding 1-2. They said its normal and to drop down my shift speed( BS) . Anyways it was a test. I had to be back to work so i took the car back. Here is what the car is looking like right now:

Take a look at my other videos too.. I wish you guys a lot of luck..

I don't understand how a dealershp can tell you that your transmission is working as designed ! Or that it doesn't have any problems. That's absurd !!

I went to my dealership yesterday to check on my car and they told me the parts where on order. I asked him what parts and what was wrong with the car and the service advisor wasn't sure (he hadn't had a chance to speak to the tech about it). He said he would call me today with more info. So I wait patiently.

[piticu667]

Originally Posted by Orange Krate

Sounds like you qualify for the lemon law...at least you would in California. That video says it all! Something is clearly wrong and it would appear who ever built that trans, if it wasnt an exchange, didnt know what in the @#$ they were doing when they worked on it. I don't get it... Automatics have always been more tricky to build than a manual, that is why I bought a manual figuring that it was a sure deal with the trans being simplistic, tough and relatively easy to work on. I underestimated todays mechanical geniuses who designed this particularly unit.. The engineers at TREMEC must have been smoking the whacky tobaccy when they pieced this trans together. I have counted something like 200 different people on this site with similar trans issues. The only ones I havent heard with issues are those who yank their trans' and modify the hell out of them with their own parts. One of my best friends is a State Deputy Atty General for California and I am going to ask a favor and have him look into this situation. This just isn't right and my buddy knows how to get things moving. A TSB would fix this. In the State of California, the law states that if your are driving a manual transmission vehicle and you pop out of gear for any length of time that the car is considered to be "Out of Control". Based on your video piticu667, your car would be out of control and it would be considered a high safety issue/threat to the motoring public! That alone should make it a GM high priority. If you can't steer it or stop it (gearing down) then it should be red flagged and not driven. Your car in its present condition would get red tagged and FAIL the safety check IMHO.

LOOL I wish I was living somewhere where there was a lemon law.. Going to serve GM this weekend though..

[Bigslick440]

Originally Posted by Orange Krate

Story of the Day...

One of my closest friends is in lust after my new Camaro. He lives in Minnesota; we can't visit very often but we literally talk every day. Today he called and told me he took his FORD truck to the CHEVY dealer for a LOF. They were offering a deal on all vehicles so he said...what the heck.

He walked the lot drooling over Camaros. The Service Manager saw him and asked him if he wanted to trade his truck in. He said he would but he was "concerned about the manual transmissions" as he was following the link and the situation here on Camaro5.

He said the Service Mgr's eyes got wide-eyed and retorted "Oh you have heard huh?" My buddy says he has read plenty on it. The Service Mgr said "GM is well aware of the problem but will only fix it if the transmission breaks and then they just swap out the trans. But there is no TSB on it because they want to keep it low key."

As for my buddy, sure you can say this is second hand information, however he has no reason to make this up and he is also a technical specialist and customer service rep for an international equipment company based in Minnesota, and he very well knows how the game is played.

I think a statement like that by a Service Mgr does not do GM or Chevrolet justice. From a business perspective I understand why this is done. From an ethical standpoint GM should issue the TSB and get these cars fixed with whatever means it takes so that they build and take their customer loyalty to a higher level. Just MHO for what it is worth. I do very much appreciate Jeff coming into this forum and providing guidance on behalf of GM. That is good PR and it builds bridges that might otherwise not be crossed.

In the meantime, I wait for my transmission to break because it is grinding and the dealer says they can't duplicate problem and I don't know how to drive it yet, and entered that bovine excretia into the customer database! Uh yeah.

Recap, owned more stick shift cars then I can count, driven hundreds of thousands of miles since 1971 when I got my license and drive 120 miles a day in a stick shift car through Los Angeles commuter traffic.

I am going back to the dealer and register my snivel again. LOL

I Bought my camaro last week. it had 200 miles since they drove it from another dealer for me.

it had 300 miles when i took it in service. its been doing it since day 1 normal acceleration 3500 rpm grinds hard to second. under harder acceleration grinds everytime at 6000 rpm.

i replicated the problem 6 or 7 times. everyone in the service garage drove my car they smoked in my car. filled it with mud, put over 50 or 60 miles on it abusing it. i finally got the call today from the service manager saying he ordered a new transmission. but stated if it still does the grind they are done with the car and i'am on my own. i got so pissed. they also told me i didn't know how to drive it and to maybe read the owners manual and learn some stuff?

WTF. basically they are putting in the transmission and telling me to go f.... my self i'am tired of dealerships and a holes.

also remember i've bought 8 brand new cars from this dealer within the last 2 1/2 3 years. i contacted gm customer support and filed a complaint on the service manager.

they escalated the case to a district manager i will be receiving a call from them tomorrow evening.

the only thing that would make me truly happy right now is to let them keep the junk camaro they sold me and give me my truck that i traded in for it.

[Rick@RKT56]

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