03-30-2013, 09:16 AM | #337 | |
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Well said! GM cannot possibly build the perfect car for everyone. The Z/28 is a magnificent car and lives up to its heritage which is the best street-legal Camaro track car that Chevrolet can produce. If it's not what you want, don't buy it. But frankly, I'm pretty disappointed with the amount of, shall we say, 'complaining' that is going on here. I'm amazed at the choices that are available in the Camaro lineup. Find one that fits your needs, buy it, if necessary mod it, and enjoy. Or go buy a Mustang! But don't 'complain' because GM didn't make exactly what you want. And remember what fbodfather said about CAFE standards. I believe his point was that there was no way that GM was going to stick the LS7 in a 1LE and sell it as a $5k upgrade. I don't think GM has the CAFE room to sell 10,000 of those things so I don't think that would ever happen. At this rate, the only way GM is going to be able to live within our government's CAFE standards and increase performance for the masses is with the gen6 when they reduce the Camaro's mass. And then it may necessitate a TTV6. I am definitely going to get stock in Kleenex before they announce that!! All of this over a name....?? The car that everyone seems to want (the '80s Z/28 which was was a street car with some performance improvements) already exists! That is exactly the roll of the 1LE. It will eat a stock SS's lunch all day long (and most Mustang's, for that matter) for only a few dollars more than the SS. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't hate because it's not what you expected or wanted. Look at the Z/28 and be amazed at what GM can do when it wants to! The Camaro lineup ROCKS!!!
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03-30-2013, 09:54 AM | #338 | |
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Example. Oil refineries produce certain amount of pollution. Large one produce more than small refineries. In USA we have cap credits. Of a small percent don't produce too much pollution, the larger refinery can purchase the cap credits from the smaller do that they don't get a fine for not adhering to their cap max. This means 5000 Z-28s isn't enough to be thrown into CAFE when chevy has trucks, camaros, spark and impala. How many camaros are made a yr?
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03-30-2013, 09:56 AM | #339 |
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Apparently a lot of the "kiddies" who are complaining about the "old" people don't know who Mark Stielow is. He made this car THE choice for a street-legal track car. I have only three complaints. 1. The back is boring. 2. They should make the gorgeous frost satin white a production color. 3. They should have included the 4 minor gauges and put them in the vertical area above the center dash vents.
Other than that this car is epic. I just ran a check on the tires and those babies go for over $700 each! This car isn't for the 95% average owner types. If you're complaining about A/C, radios, etc. then this isn't designed for you; get something else. This car is for fast drivers. Fast drivers who go out on road courses and push it for tenths-of-a-second faster on each corner. They don't need radios and A/C. I just wonder what the price of all this fun is going to be; especially when a set of tires alone cost $3k!
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03-30-2013, 10:15 AM | #340 | |
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Seeing the same post copied/pasted into various threads is monotonous and unnecessary. At least come up with an original thought in response to a specific question.
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03-30-2013, 10:23 AM | #341 |
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Glancing throught this thread there seems to be more Dodge and Ford guys who are stoked about this car than Chevy guys...lol...Interesting...I hope the other brands try to "catch-up"...It's good for everyone...
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03-30-2013, 10:27 AM | #342 |
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These are going to be garage queens that see very very minimal track time. The ones that want to track to find tenths in the corners have the ability and do build their own cars, and most of them can even see the significance of just buying a 1SS and modding it how they choose. Don't kid yourselves, it's a great car, but maybe 10 of the 2000 sold will see a track day. For those of you who will be able to afford one, enjoy it, it is meant to be driven!
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03-30-2013, 10:29 AM | #343 |
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The dodge and Ford guys are stoked not because they are gonna buy one, but because they now have hopes that their brand will come to the table with something competitive.
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03-30-2013, 10:31 AM | #344 |
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I read in Motor Trend that Dodge has already announced they were going to come up with their own version for the Challenger, now that the Barracuda has been delayed.
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03-30-2013, 10:41 AM | #345 | |
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In 1993 and 1994 Porsche built a 911 model called the RS America. The car was built as a street legal track car. It had uprated suspension, brakes, aero, wheels and tires. It also had significantly reduced weight from deleted AC, power steering, radio/stereo, cruise control, sunroof etc. Rear seats were removed and replaced with light weight carpet. Even the door handles were replaced with cloth pull straps. Porsche built only 701 of these cars, but did people hoard them as garage queens and collector items? Hell no. Virtually all of them saw track duty. When I started doing track days in 1996 I would see several of these cars at every event I attended. Even today almost 20 years after they were introduced I can’t go to a PCA event without seeing at least one running around the track. Many have been modified into full blown race cars. Why should it be any different with the Z/28? |
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03-30-2013, 10:42 AM | #346 |
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No, I don't think GM made a mistake. The primary buyers of Z/28 is for future owners who already have a DD and will seriously track/race the Z therefore using it for its primary role... or just garage/occasionally cruise it. Chances are this may even be a 2nd, 3rd, or nth toy as well. If you don't fall into any of these categories then at least you have plenty of other Camaro choices. So again, no, IMO I don't think GM made a mistake by making the Z/28 a track car as its primary objective.
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03-30-2013, 10:44 AM | #347 | |
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03-30-2013, 10:50 AM | #348 |
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Here is the press release for those Porsches.
http://www.rsamerica.net/images/OEM_...an92_P1of1.pdf
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03-30-2013, 10:51 AM | #349 |
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I have a 1st gen Z but its going to my son, don't want to work on it/restore any more, I guess I am lazy. Thinking about adding the Z/28 but I think I would save the tires for real track events (that I really wouldn't go to lol ) and get some wheels/tires to drive on the street....
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03-30-2013, 12:26 PM | #350 | |
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