Mustangs................

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Jinx

Well thats just it, how could I expect a car to perform at a level if on average it doesnt? If a car has a huge "driver's hurtle", then I would rather have my money on the car that has similar "performance capabilities" but without that hurtle. Its looks right now that the 2011 Mustang GT with a solid rear axle is that car, in my eyes.

You act like the Camaro is the only car effected by the inconsistencies of a driver. The average time you keep talking about includes, for instance, someone's first time at a track who ended up getting a high 15. You continually talk about how a driver can badly influence a car's capabilities; you're not getting that when comparing vehicles, you need to have the potential of each car reached when compare them, or in other words compare them when they're at their best, not when you average Joe's terrible 16.0 time and Bob's fantastic 12.5 time.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Dude, give it up. LateModel Racecraft was working on that guy's car and can easily verify that he didn't have nitrous hooked up. Seems to be a pretty simple solution that you keep avoiding. Beyond that, go check the dragstrip section and see people with minimal mods getting into the mid-twelves (e.g. Pave1 got 12.6 with just a tune on a L99, a guy with a tune, headers and CAI hit 12.2 in his L99).

Also, they're talking about the 12.6 that was run by NHRAStocker with only an air and oil filter swap and an oil change (royal purple). He did it multiple times in fact, so it wasn't some fluke that can never be repeated.

EDIT: Also, the guy with the CAI and tune from LMR also ran 12.6 and 12.5, so he did replicate it.

Minimal mods are still mods and not factory stock.

Still, these threads always degrade into brand-loyal pissing matches, so until bone stock examples of both cars on the same day, on the same track, are documented, it's all heresay and speculation anyway.

Just think how much ribbing I am going to get when I put my car up against Junkie and he lays the inevitable smackdown on me in front of hundreds of Camaro enthusiasts. That will live ad-infintum on YouTube and Streetfire to be sure.

[MrE]

Well, the 2011 'Stang is also finally getting a six speed transmission, so while the weight of the motor might be lighter for their 5.0 counterpart, that 6er is going to add a bit of weight. Unfortunately its all conjecture until Ford puts out actual curb weight. I'm betting it will be near or just under the SS in terms of weight.

[Jinx]

Well I enjoy the competitive nature of it and goal of improving one's time or assisting someone else; but I also respect a more forgiving car at the track.

We use M&Ps instead of Glocks at work. We converted from the Glock a year ago. I still miss the Glock. It performed as good as the guy next to me with a dirty, dragged throught the dirt Glock and I cleaned and inspected it once a week. The ergonomics are a plus and comfort to shooting for the Glock. All this, I cant say for the M&P Its still makes the mark for qualifying, but going from a 100% to a 90% isnt good for my feelings. But why is that? Both guns are basically spec (capable) the same and M&P trumps in design in even my opinion. The reason is that the Glock was forgiving. If I need to use it, it better hit the target in the time of need. Im still have the same skill set, but I dont want to have adjust style and comfort to insure the same result.

Same for a car. I want something forgiving. Even though its capable, I like to win that race every time. I still prefer a manual because i feel that where driver skill is greatly depended on, but I dont want something else to be hurtle. Kudos on the IRS, but there is a reason to why Mustang guy replace Cobra IRS with rebuilt SRA units besides strength.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Minimal mods are still mods and not factory stock.

Still, these threads always degrade into brand-loyal pissing matches, so until bone stock examples of both cars on the same day, on the same track, are documented, it's all heresay and speculation anyway.

Just think how much ribbing I am going to get when I put my car up against Junkie and he lays the inevitable smackdown on me in front of hundreds of Camaro enthusiasts. That will live ad-infintum on YouTube and Streetfire to be sure.

No telling who will win...how much pressure do you think I have on me? lol..A mustang beating me at Camaro Fest..whoa...and i am a moderator on this site...
lol..but according to the logic posted earlier...i can always use the excuse that the mustang is easier to drive...lmao..just kidding

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Romeloc

will they step it up since ford is with there mustang gt . the mustang is supposed to be rumored 412hp 390tqe and a few hundred pounds less with a new 5.o engine. I chevy does and don't get to big headed.

can you say Z28?

[Jinx]

Originally Posted by a_Username

You act like the Camaro is the only car effected by the inconsistencies of a driver. The average time you keep talking about includes, for instance, someone's first time at a track who ended up getting a high 15. You continually talk about how a driver can badly influence a car's capabilities; you're not getting that when comparing vehicles, you need to have the potential of each car reached when compare them, or in other words compare them when they're at their best, not when you average Joe's terrible 16.0 time and Bob's fantastic 12.5 time.

Common sense and average prowess. Think about it this way, imagine the cluster**** if GM advestised 12.6 as the official number. They and a bunch of other smart people got down to it and said this what people should expect in good reasonable conditions. 12.9 is a safe number, whether u got the modest quality build or factory freak. That the number I want.

[Jinx]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

No telling who will win...how much pressure do you think I have on me? lol..A mustang beating me at Camaro Fest..whoa...and i am a moderator on this site...
lol..but according to the logic posted earlier...i can always use the excuse that the mustang is easier to drive...lmao..just kidding

Its not logic for an excuse, its logic for what car to drive. Im on the fence to which to get now that the news on the 2011 Mustang GT is surfacing. This is how I work through it.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

No telling who will win...how much pressure do you think I have on me? lol..A mustang beating me at Camaro Fest..whoa...and i am a moderator on this site...
lol..but according to the logic posted earlier...i can always use the excuse that the mustang is easier to drive...lmao..just kidding

True, but let's face it. The event is quite a ways from my house. I will be driving my car to the event and back, not trailering it and I will be on drag radials, not full slicks. This means I will need to be safe in regards to boost/tune, as well. As I stated before, if it runs better than mid-to-high 10's, I'll be surprised.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Jinx

Its not logic for an excuse, its logic for what car to drive. Im on the fence to which to get now that the news on the 2011 Mustang GT is surfacing. This is how I work through it.

Well you have a right to your opinion as I do to mine. If my car was stock and you had a Stock 2011 GT...whomever crosses the finish line first is the logic that matters.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

True, but let's face it. The event is quite a ways from my house. I will be driving my car to the event and back, not trailering it and I will be on drag radials, not full slicks. This means I will need to be safe in regards to boost/tune, as well. As I stated before, if it runs better mid-to-high 10's, I'll be surprised.

I will be on DR's and even though I trust you fully...i dont trust that you are telling me everything...lol..you know that it's a full concrete 1/4 so there will be some fast times to be had

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Jinx

Common sense and average prowess. Think about it this way, imagine the cluster**** if GM advestised 12.6 as the official number. They and a bunch of other smart people got down to it and said this what people should expect in good reasonable conditions. 12.9 is a safe number, whether u got the modest quality build or factory freak. That the number I want.

13.0 is the advertised number because that is what most drivers should be capable of, not what the car is capable of. All your posts boil down to driver skill.

[Jinx]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Well you have a right to your opinion as I do to mine. If my car was stock and you had a Stock 2011 GT...whomever crosses the finish line first is the logic that matters.

For me it that and the ability to consistanty cross that line first everytime. Not 4 out of 7 times. Prefer 7 out of 7. Settle for 6 out of 7. lol. jk. I would hate wheel hop or traction to be a problem, just as an example. I like to have that forgiveness in a car.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

I will be on DR's and even though I trust you fully...i dont trust that you are telling me everything...lol..you know that it's a full concrete 1/4 so there will be some fast times to be had

I did not know that. In fact. This will be my first visit to that track. I'm looking forward to it.

As for not telling you everything, I understand your caution but I really don't have any tricks up my sleeve. What you see is what you get with me. I've been around the car/drag racing scene for far too long to know that is usually not the case, but then I'm not a hardcore racer, either. It's all about the fun of it for me.