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Old 11-15-2011, 07:28 PM   #365
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Whats the point of giving a car like the mustang 650 hp?? its have wheel spin from the start line to the finish. yes it does have a live axle and that reduces wheel hop, but really how fast can it go? I don't think that the problem lies with a weak engine. The problem is with traction and in putting all that power to ground.
Sticky tires fixes the problem....low 11s all day. Maybe a 10 in the right weather and good 60'. AND lighter than the 4100lb ZL1. Thats why....

Horsepower wars are back.... Time to suit up gents, time to get dirty!
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:29 PM   #366
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Regardless of the bargain or deal or whatever it's condidered, they are coming out with a 60k dollar toy at a bad economic time.

It's success is up in the air. I doubt they know. THeir expectations are probably not super high but high enough to justify the product developement.

I'm sure they are running on hope equaly.

Me, I'd buy an SS and fix it up. Sure, there are a lot of things won't be in place such as the air flow, magnetic ride and such but I will never be the kind of driver to ever give a shit about those. Neither will 90% of drivers buying ZL1s.
But make no mistake, they want to sell a bazillion of these. And will if the market says to.
THIS.

For me the zl1 is near 63,000 after ggt, auto, registration and tax. Lot's of other cars can be purchased for that, or you could mod the crap out of a 2ss/rs. (yes I know there is no mr and no warranty etc)

This is one badass car, of that there is no doubt. And if you live and breathe Camaro, then this is the one for you. There are just a lot of other cars available in this price range.

If I lived down south and didn't have to contend with 100 plus inches of snow a year, I would have ordered one already. Lot of money for people up here to spend on a 6 month toy. I hope they sell good though, so i may snap one up next year! LOL.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:33 PM   #367
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I want a ZL1 and I don't care about HP, torque, what the ford fa-- have, I want my new Camaro. If you feel the need to bash than go f--- yourselves. I am getting it because of the looks and the name and the fact that I am a C5 guy. Have fun all with your doubt and negative posts. If you don't like the ZL1 then go get your ford.

I will be waiting.

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AMEN TO THAT!!!!

I don't care how much horsepower other cars may have. I'm a camaro fan 4 life because I love CAMAROS...not because I love having the most HORSEPOWER on the road. GM said that they were building an outstanding camaro for a price that was the best bang for the buck. No one seems to realize that you can't get the ZL1 performance from the factory for this price with any other car. If you can't afford it or don't want it..cool..go get what you fancy but don't downplay the camaro because some of us don't want to drive a FORD OR BENZ or whatever (even though we can afford them)..no matter how many ponies they have.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:37 PM   #368
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Wow, this is not good. the GT500 is a steal compared.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:38 PM   #369
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Who will be the 1st to get one at INVOICE!
and what's with the bogus "ROLLING START"? Who runs 1/4miles with a rolling start? I have never seen a new car's 1/4 mile times given with a rolling start.
WHO will be the 1st to run a 1/4 mile from a STANDING START?
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:41 PM   #370
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Wow, this is not good. the GT500 is a steal compared.
How so? Who said we won't see a gt500 price increase?
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:41 PM   #371
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Wow, this is not good. the GT500 is a steal compared.
I'll reserve judgement on that until pricing and performance numbers are released for the pony.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:53 PM   #372
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How so? Who said we won't see a gt500 price increase?
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I'll reserve judgement on that until pricing and performance numbers are released for the pony.
2012 model is in at $48,810 base. They aren't going to raise the price more than a couple thousand. So let's say it's $51,500. You do the math.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:54 PM   #373
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Where is the under-priced coming from? I didn't see a price for the 13' GT500. No way it's priced less than a ZL1! 650hp plus all the other changes cost $! I'm willing to bet the GT500 kool-aid won't taste quite as good once the price is released.
It's just my opinion, but I predict the '13 Shelby will undercut the out the door price of the ZL1.

That's been the trend on Camaro vs Mustang prices in the past, and I see no reason it won't continue. Remember the current Mustang has been out since 2005, so tooling costs are already recouped, making the car cheaper to produce each year. And then there's the gg advantage.

We'll find out soon enough.[/QUOTE]



You may be right about the pricing we'll see. One argument for Ford to price aggressively is to stop the pony car bleeding is for Ford bring back or earn new customers by being king of the HP war? They were surpassed by GM with the Camaro and the pony car market is huge and could be the difference in a Mfg bottom line. I don't know what strategy or car or vehicle they use to take back share but it just may be the GT500?

For sure it is going to be very interesting to watch and/or be a part of...
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:54 PM   #374
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I love the ZL1, but the GT500 is no joke.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:59 PM   #375
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Out the door at $60k. They will be a great deal in three years
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Old 11-15-2011, 08:04 PM   #376
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Figures officially came in as predicted. Nice specs for $55K. Surprised the automatic stats kicked the manual's butt. Hmmm???
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I want a ZL1 and I don't care about HP, torque, what the ford fa-- have, I want my new Camaro. If you feel the need to bash than go f--- yourselves. I am getting it because of the looks and the name and the fact that I am a C5 guy. Have fun all with your doubt and negative posts. If you don't like the ZL1 then go get your ford.

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Old 11-15-2011, 08:08 PM   #378
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Any MT vs A6 question anymore , hello , anybody ?
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