irpq11, L99 Dyno results.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by vette33

I live in MS. I bought the yellow SS that came in the week before yours. I hammered mine from day one and checked it with G-Tech a few weeks ago and got 2 runs 0-60 of 5.3 seconds. It only has 1200 miles on it but it has not been babied. Still learning the best way for me to launch the car. From a dead stop without power braking it will spin the tires. Whats up with Bay Chev. Keep telling you to come back. I hope they get yours fixed.

Ah, yes. How you been? 1200 miles? Wow, I've got you quadrupled.

I've avtually got a 5.3 with the iPhone one. Best video time is 5.8 now.
Where is the nearest 1/4 mile track? We should hook up and race. (Just to 60mph) Then get drunk and try it again. JK

Oh, and mine won't even THINK about spinning tires without a break stand.

[vette33]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ah, yes. How you been? 1200 miles? Wow, I've got you quadrupled.

I've avtually got a 5.3 with the iPhone one. Best video time is 5.8 now.
Where is the nearest 1/4 mile track? We should hook up and race. (Just to 60mph) Then get drunk and try it again. JK

Oh, and mine won't even THINK about spinning tires without a break stand.

I think the nearest 1/4 mile track is in gulfport. Hard for me to get time off as you can see only 1200 miles. When did they tell you to bring yours in? I thought 5.3 was pretty good for 90+ degrees and tons of humidity. With 60 degrees we should be under 5.0 in 0-60.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by vette33

I think the nearest 1/4 mile track is in gulfport. Hard for me to get time off as you can see only 1200 miles. When did they tell you to bring yours in? I thought 5.3 was pretty good for 90+ degrees and tons of humidity. With 60 degrees we should be under 5.0 in 0-60.

They've told me several times now and both times they had more important issues that the TAC guy had to tend to.

Gulfport would be pretty close for me actually. I'm gonna call them today.

5.3 is a a good time for sure in this heat. I've been gatting closer to 6.3 but I babyed mine for the first 1500 and didn't really start jumping on it everywhere till about 3000.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Dang dude. I typed a small book and that's all you got for me?

I'll call today and see when open lanes are available. But if I do go soon and get crappy times, people will just say the same thing they've been saying.

But I'll make a trip soon and it will be called

"PQs Trip to the Track" sponsored by CamaroSpike23

(I'll take care of the sponsorship fee )

But you gotta tell me what the acceptable time range should be.

sorry, I was in the midst of working on 5 different threads....

I'm not expecting you to pull sub 13's on the track (btw... have you ever been to the track? jw.) when you do plan on going, pm me a day or two before you leave, ive got some things I want you to try while you are there... actually, I'll pm some of them to you now just for kicks and giggles.)


I'll be patiently awaiting pics and vids at the track.


btw... what did you set the weight of the vehicle to in the Dynolicious app? I saw that Number 9 had set his weight to 4703lbs.

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by irpq11

They've told me several times now and both times they had more important issues that the TAC guy had to tend to.

Gulfport would be pretty close for me actually. I'm gonna call them today.

5.3 is a a good time for sure in this heat. I've been gatting closer to 6.3 but I babyed mine for the first 1500 and didn't really start jumping on it everywhere till about 3000.

You need to learn how to be a dickhead.

More important issues? I would of thrown a fit. How much did you drop on your car?

More important issues? That would of been call number one to GM. I dont give a crap if anything gets done. They hear about it when they get complaints. Trust me.

[Number_9]

Okay, had a blast doing some runs last night... 1/8 mile, untimed... the iPhone App only (I'm not interested in all the pro/con debate about the iPhone app's, so save it... it's been used against itself, and been consistent against itself, and been all I have at the 1/8 track). I've used Dynolicious a lot now both before having the dyno tune *and* after the dyno tune. Below is the comparative results. Definite improvements since having the Dyno tune.



Also, for those that disregard anything the Dynolicious app has to say *and* for those that don't/didn't read the thread, the before/after actual Dyno results are re-included below too.



The results do not lie... and the L99 stories that are being reported are as consistent as the before/after results people are posting. The results at the track - amazing. As it happens, I lined up next to another 2010 L99 last night. Mechanically the same car as my own... but still suffering from bad timing and a "safe" A/F mixture. I beat it by nearly two car lengths in an 1/8 mile.

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Anyone in Lower Alabama, Mississippi, or panhandle Florida wanna race? L99s

I have a moped that will give it a run for its money!

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I can't see that happening.

1. Because I don't believe enough people are saying anything to anyone about it.

2. Because very few people are even testing their cars. It's a really strong engine. Strong enough that 99% of L99 owners will be happy with the 'feeling' of power. Most racing enthusiasts will buy the Standard, and the rest will mod anyway. There are VERY few L99s that will be tested and dynoed and even fewer who will have a problem and even FEWER who will bring it to light.

If you sell 20,000 Camaros and let's say only 8000 of them are Autos and you concentrate only on the Autos, then you've allready gotten rid of the big majority of 'racing' guys. Now you take what you have left (8000) and let's just say 2000 of those guys are racing guy who would even notice a problem. Now let's say half of those guys will mod the car anyway. (or just tune it.) Now you have 1000 cars. Now lets say only 50 of those cars have a problem at all. (I suspect it would be more than 5% but this is just an example) So now out of the 50 cars, how many will notice a problem? Let's just say 5 out of 50. So now you have 5 people out of 20,000 with Camaros who have the same problem and are pissed. Of those 5 maybe one or two just say to hell with it and deal with it, or get a tune or persue other means of dealing with it. And now you're down to 3. Well? NO STORY HERE. 3 out of 20,000 is not something GM worries about, nor do the magazines and other publications. The key here is most guys who will EVER even notice a problem will be moding anyway. The rest won't even notice. And BTW, at least we've got people noticing and testing.

Obviously my numbers will be way off. But that's the type of tricle down that happens and why IMO, this is a non-story, and will go unreported. Also it's why someone has to say something, somewhere. I don't want it reported in a magazine anyway.

Now I've spoken at length to some of our members and mods. Namely Junkie and Spike. They are of the impression that my car will 'Wake Up' the more I pound on it. I'm still persuing the TAC avenue through my dealer. But in the meantime I'll be keeping a close eye on my car. Mine is faster than Scotts. If they don't do anything for him then I don't have a snoballs chance in hell with them. It would be a principle case at that point. IF my car doesn't improve.

No, a stopwatch, iPhone, G-Tech etc. are not official data and can be way off. But you can't tell me I can't get at least within .3 of a second by video recording the run and putting a stopwatch to it 20 times and come up with an average. It WILL be within .3 second. That's a pretty big time differential. Considering I have done times like this in the 7 second range, It's good enough.

Agreed

[ToddSS]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I can't see that happening.

1. Because I don't believe enough people are saying anything to anyone about it.

2. Because very few people are even testing their cars. It's a really strong engine. Strong enough that 99% of L99 owners will be happy with the 'feeling' of power. Most racing enthusiasts will buy the Standard, and the rest will mod anyway. There are VERY few L99s that will be tested and dynoed and even fewer who will have a problem and even FEWER who will bring it to light.

If you sell 20,000 Camaros and let's say only 8000 of them are Autos and you concentrate only on the Autos, then you've allready gotten rid of the big majority of 'racing' guys. Now you take what you have left (8000) and let's just say 2000 of those guys are racing guy who would even notice a problem. Now let's say half of those guys will mod the car anyway. (or just tune it.) Now you have 1000 cars. Now lets say only 50 of those cars have a problem at all. (I suspect it would be more than 5% but this is just an example) So now out of the 50 cars, how many will notice a problem? Let's just say 5 out of 50. So now you have 5 people out of 20,000 with Camaros who have the same problem and are pissed. Of those 5 maybe one or two just say to hell with it and deal with it, or get a tune or persue other means of dealing with it. And now you're down to 3. Well? NO STORY HERE. 3 out of 20,000 is not something GM worries about, nor do the magazines and other publications. The key here is most guys who will EVER even notice a problem will be moding anyway. The rest won't even notice. And BTW, at least we've got people noticing and testing.

Obviously my numbers will be way off. But that's the type of tricle down that happens and why IMO, this is a non-story, and will go unreported. Also it's why someone has to say something, somewhere. I don't want it reported in a magazine anyway.

Now I've spoken at length to some of our members and mods. Namely Junkie and Spike. They are of the impression that my car will 'Wake Up' the more I pound on it. I'm still persuing the TAC avenue through my dealer. But in the meantime I'll be keeping a close eye on my car. Mine is faster than Scotts. If they don't do anything for him then I don't have a snoballs chance in hell with them. It would be a principle case at that point. IF my car doesn't improve.

No, a stopwatch, iPhone, G-Tech etc. are not official data and can be way off. But you can't tell me I can't get at least within .3 of a second by video recording the run and putting a stopwatch to it 20 times and come up with an average. It WILL be within .3 second. That's a pretty big time differential. Considering I have done times like this in the 7 second range, It's good enough.

Bro, if my car was under performing you better believe i would have something to say about it. Fortunately for me the car is running good for stock. I took it to the track with 400 miles on it and got a 14.73 @ 99.54 mph with a DA of 7800' to 8000' so corrected for sea level it would be 13.2 @ 109mph. Not bad for a bone stock auto imo. It won't stay that way for long but I wanted to see the progress of the build from stock to bada$$.

I have never used an I phone for data and probably never will. Nor do I care what my dyno numbers say... A dyno guy can make a pinto look good. Dyno's are for tuning and tuning only. The track doesn't lie.

[jojohn33]

Well finaly got some time to play around today. To find my times very slow 0-60. Around 7 sec seem to be the average. My 5th try I for the heck of it turned off tc resulting in only a very small chirp. wish I had the time to take care of this problem. I'm just glad I didn't race anyone and look like a idiot. Still fun to drive though afm is ignoring and will be my last car I own with it.

[redjewel]

Originally Posted by irpq11

She beat me pretty bad that day. We're going to do it again today or tomorrow. This time she's driving instead of my buddy. MAN I hope the results are different.

Please keep us posted on this. I want to see if your car is getting any better now that you are driving it harder. This will interesting.

[redjewel]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ah, yes. How you been? 1200 miles? Wow, I've got you quadrupled.

I've avtually got a 5.3 with the iPhone one. Best video time is 5.8 now.
Where is the nearest 1/4 mile track? We should hook up and race. (Just to 60mph) Then get drunk and try it again. JK

Oh, and mine won't even THINK about spinning tires without a break stand.

Ive got my tires to chirp a few times but not spinning. Now I wonder if it is because she drives it everyday and I only get it a couple times a week. I can tell you I am driving it hard. I keep thinking some day I might get them tires to spin a few times. Maybe those Pirellis are just that damn sticky.

I can tell you this I am afraid I am going to be in it one day and a Mustang is going to want to get frisky and I might just lose that battle. I don't think mine is as slow as Scott's so I am not overly concerned about a V6 Accord or a V6 Camaro with a 500 pound payload either

[rayhawk]

OK, I think somewhere earlier I made a post about this problem, but I think it might be worth mentioning again, or maybe saying it in a different way. Looking at the 60' times from a few posts up of 2.6x, I think this tells the whole story. irpq's dyno results arent' great, but IMO don't explain fully the very poor performance off the line. This is because the dyno is not done in first gear, and does not represent a launch scenario. It is a slow steady pull in one gear (4th).

Think about that 2.6x 60' time, I think I could run faster than that! Seriously, my wife managed a 2.2x in her '01 z28 with a 2.73 rear end, and she had never been to the track before, and is no expert, believe me. When one of you guys with the slow cars gets to the track and posts measured 60' times to back up the iphone results, I think it will be clear where the issue is. I think it is mostly about the PCM limiting power from a standing start.

I know that the dyno results were goofy as well, but I don't think that explains the whole issue.

irpq11, can you repost your range of 60' times for your runs?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

You need to learn how to be a dickhead.

More important issues? I would of thrown a fit. How much did you drop on your car?

More important issues? That would of been call number one to GM. I dont give a crap if anything gets done. They hear about it when they get complaints. Trust me.

lol, talk to Bonnie about that. I'm very fair but to a point. Unfortunately I have no middle temper. It's either really nice or childishly tantrum. My problem here is that I want to keep my car. I want to see if it works it's self out. At the same time I want them to test it. Last time I went to drop it off I was almost wanting them to not take it.

Originally Posted by rpepka

I have a moped that will give it a run for its money!

Originally Posted by redjewel

Please keep us posted on this. I want to see if your car is getting any better now that you are driving it harder. This will interesting.

Will do.

Originally Posted by ToddSS

Bro, if my car was under performing you better believe i would have something to say about it. Fortunately for me the car is running good for stock. I took it to the track with 400 miles on it and got a 14.73 @ 99.54 mph with a DA of 7800' to 8000' so corrected for sea level it would be 13.2 @ 109mph. Not bad for a bone stock auto imo. It won't stay that way for long but I wanted to see the progress of the build from stock to bada$$.

I have never used an I phone for data and probably never will. Nor do I care what my dyno numbers say... A dyno guy can make a pinto look good. Dyno's are for tuning and tuning only. The track doesn't lie.

Like I said before. I'll take fast times over higher HP.

Originally Posted by redjewel

Ive got my tires to chirp a few times but not spinning. Now I wonder if it is because she drives it everyday and I only get it a couple times a week. I can tell you I am driving it hard. I keep thinking some day I might get them tires to spin a few times. Maybe those Pirellis are just that damn sticky.

I can tell you this I am afraid I am going to be in it one day and a Mustang is going to want to get frisky and I might just lose that battle. I don't think mine is as slow as Scott's so I am not overly concerned about a V6 Accord or a V6 Camaro with a 500 pound payload either

If a Mustang pulled up next to me right now I would do my best not to make eye contact. He would definately beat me.

Originally Posted by rayhawk

OK, I think somewhere earlier I made a post about this problem, but I think it might be worth mentioning again, or maybe saying it in a different way. Looking at the 60' times from a few posts up of 2.6x, I think this tells the whole story. irpq's dyno results arent' great, but IMO don't explain fully the very poor performance off the line. This is because the dyno is not done in first gear, and does not represent a launch scenario. It is a slow steady pull in one gear (4th).

Think about that 2.6x 60' time, I think I could run faster than that! Seriously, my wife managed a 2.2x in her '01 z28 with a 2.73 rear end, and she had never been to the track before, and is no expert, believe me. When one of you guys with the slow cars gets to the track and posts measured 60' times to back up the iphone results, I think it will be clear where the issue is. I think it is mostly about the PCM limiting power from a standing start.

I know that the dyno results were goofy as well, but I don't think that explains the whole issue.

irpq11, can you repost your range of 60' times for your runs?

Ill post them again. I'm on my phone right now. Bonnies watching tv and our computer is on our tv.