04-10-2024, 10:55 AM | #29 | |
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It's pretty hard to argue some extremely significant cars haven't been produced under Barra's leadership including the C8, Blacking, 6th Generation Camaro, and mass-production EV's. Look at their truck lineup. We didn't get that under Ackerson or Wagoner. |
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04-10-2024, 12:10 PM | #30 | |
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04-10-2024, 12:21 PM | #31 | |
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They were working on 6th Gen design by 2013 under Dan Akerson. Surely the 6th Gen was too far along in development when Queen Mary took her throne in 2014, so she pretty much had little to do with it other than maybe a color choice. I bet Ed Welbourne and Scott Settlemire are glad to be retired. There’s an interview with Bob Lutz on YouTube from maybe 3-4 months ago where he literally said the 6th Gen Camaro was the best chassis GM ever made and it’s a shame they are cancelling it. Thats the guy who should have been CEO 20 years ago.
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04-10-2024, 12:25 PM | #32 | |
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Akerson bailed and ran and left the ignition debacle for Mary to handle. I wouldn't classify either as good CEO's. Car enthusiast products may have come out under them, but they created crisis's for GM as a company. |
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04-10-2024, 12:33 PM | #33 | |
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The 6th gen Camaro flopped. A parts bin special with the bare minimum of development, ignoring all of the issues the 5th gen had. The new Colorado is another cost cutting special. One body style, one powertrain, cheap lighting, limited options, and a damn prop rod instead of hood struts. The Silverado and Sierra are a little better but that’s because they make so much money. Still, where’s the Raptor or TRX competitor? The C8 is the only GM vehicle that is actually doing anything interesting. So sure, she’s making profit at the expense of interesting and inspired vehicles. Can she maintain the success selling blandness? She’s fortunate most people just want 4 wheels to get from A to B.
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04-10-2024, 01:36 PM | #34 | |
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04-10-2024, 01:40 PM | #35 | |
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If I were a board member with a lot of shares in the company and she presents to me a slide with profit/loses by each vehicle in the lineup and I saw how small the profit was on the Camaro/CT4/5 I’d ask her why. After she tells me why I’d tell her she better drop it from the lineup and make something more people want if she wants to keep her job as would the rest of the members. It’s just the unfortunate truth. The only way a car company can make multiple cool enthusiast products is if they either don’t go public and/or charge a high amount for each vehicle (Porsche for example).
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04-10-2024, 01:46 PM | #36 | |
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Another hybrid full-size is being discussed because yeah, GM is the #1 seller of full-size pickups in the US (the world?). It seems Barra is staying on top of the game. Gas, diesel, electric, and hybrid. I find it kind of hard to $hit on the Camaro since I assume most of us here own one or are dedicated enthusiasts. The 6th gen was literally the $40k BMW M3 that actually makes cool V8 noises and goes fast. If it's such a parts-bin piece of junk, get rid of it. |
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We don't care how much money GM makes, it's what they want, not us, and they aren't our families but a bland corporate entity nobody cares about apart from its actual products.
Indeed, we care about interesting cars and trucks, novel ideas that are useful and/or exciting, which is all but missing, so our opinion on GM's management is not positive, nothing wrong with that. If GM makes a truckload of money from manufacturing in China and Mexico, fine, but no enthusiast cares.
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Doesn't GM have the most robust enthusiast portfolio right now amount the big three?
CT4-V, CT5-V, Corvette? What does Ford have? Three thousand different Mustangs. Wow. They don't even have any performance sedans. What does Dodge have? Three million different Charger and Challenger variants. All of them boats. All of them marked up through the roof too, on decades old platforms. You guys are butthurt because the Camaro is gone. Fine. That doesn't mean GM is failing. The car sold like shit. You're blaming Barra like she personally designed the shitty trunk opening and shitty visibility. You know--the main criticisms of the car and the primary reasons why people didn't buy it versus the Mustang. The big 3 had been putting out a lot of shit products for decades. If anything they are much more competitive now versus the 80s and 90s where the Japanese were eating their lunch. But no lets blame Barra for being a DEI/Woke/Affirmative Action/Political hire just because those are the buzzwords today. Lets ignore decades of GM languishing under white males. |
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The downsizing or “rightsizing” of the Chevy Caprice in ‘79 was an overwhelming success. The car didn’t lose sales and fail in ‘96 because it was a full sized family sedan, it failed because in ‘91 they threw the inverted bathtub on the chassis and filled it with Fisher Price plastic. And that’s an insult to Fisher Price. In the process of Moving to the front drive, smaller, downsized C and W chassis from ‘85 to ‘88 they GM lost their backsides. The cars looked like inverted bathtubs, had hard, cheapened plastic interiors that squeaked and rattled when brand new, and felt like crap compared to their predecessors. Replacing power window regulator motors with zip-tie ribbons to save cost was my personal favorite part of the fun (don’t ever try to roll them down if it’s cold out - you won’t get them back up till summer!) The only thing good to come out of it was the Series I 3800. The company lost billions from that move. The point is did people go to Honda and Toyota because GM stopped building cars people wanted, or did GM try to be just like Honda and Toyota but failed miserably? Either way the mark was missed - they needed to continue building cars that were American, not try to be like Japan.
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Congratulations! They've milked a bull market letting dads keep up with the new truck Jones's, and giving old guys their trophies. Cadillac has their ultimate-drama-free-driving-machines. Even the Vette was given to boilerplate exotic for less people. They fixed things by giving the external validation crowd what they wanted. That is a job that's done. Except they can't match those smart Japanese with appliances, good thing they can't do sport or big trucks. (sarcasm)
I've blamed shitty product planning for the Camaro. They vampired off it to give more life to Cadillac. They've been willing to sacrifice it for that goal, going back to the '02 end. Other company f*ckups are immaterial. Enthusiasts are the canary in the coal mine for brand entropy. The drop off lags. Maybe a downturn will speed it up. So, shake the woman's hand and tell her she needs a succession plan, and the current brain trust's vision needs replaced with predjudice. She would hopefully have enough fortitude and integrity to fire any bootlicker, virtue signaller, foreign inferiority cancer. |
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