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China could be the game changer if they want a coupe. But coupes don't sell well there in large numbers. As Euro as everyone thinks the Mustang is, it remains a pretty big car. In markets taxed by engine displacement (China is one) or CO, a Mustang GT and Camaro SS are hugely expensive when you add the taxes. The Mustang will only likely move a reasonable number of 2.0T overseas.
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08-30-2014, 04:22 PM | #31 | |
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I honestly feel that the overseas sales will be production limited as opposed to customer limited.
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I wouldn't say "never". if Camaro truly sold a million a year, they would catch mustang in about 4 or 5 years. that's assuming mustang stays at their current sales rate.
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I know people like the hot new best thing on the block, but the new mustang is still ass ugly IMO...I feel like sales numbers for 15 will be close, but nothing earth shattering to write home about. |
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08-30-2014, 06:17 PM | #34 |
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We both know the Camaro will never ever sell 1 million cars a year for 5 or 6 years, hell put the Mustang and Camaro together and they still couldnt do it....
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08-30-2014, 08:26 PM | #35 | |
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RHD Mustangs: Japan and Great Britain? Check their engine displacement tax breaks...and the car's size. What's the Camaro's T-4 displacement, again? Built to ATS Coupe size, which will potentially be more "foreigner-friendly", Camaro or Mustang? |
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Why? do the Camaro has to kiss it's annual sales crown goodbye?
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Yes...we know the CTS with the Turbo V6 fixins weighs around 4,000 lbs. But I like to compare base cars, b/c that gives the basic platform you dealing with. From there, we can all make a decent estimate on weight additions for the V8 driveline. Compare the last gen CTS base car weight to the new car. Keep in mind...the new CTS is larger. The new CTS weighs LESS. Its because of Alpha as we all know. Yeah there might be some expensive materials in there that saved an extra 50 - 100 lbs the Camaro won't get...but the platform is not lighter due solely to expensive lightweight metals. That just part of the equation. Now I've have read several (well, lets say three) comments from individuals who have seen the 6th gen, and they say it is smaller. So now, the car is smaller, and going on Alpha.....how can it NOT be lighter...if even by 50 - 100 lbs??? How much smaller will the car be. Based on the prototypes running around, this car doesn't appear to be on a CTS sized wheelbase...but is it ATS sized, or somewhere in between. The ATS V6 is basically 300 lbs lighter than the V6 Camaro. Will the Camaro V6 come in at 3,450 lbs like ATs? Maybe not...but I certainly think 3,500 to 3,550 is pretty easily doable. With all that, and more....I have strong confidence in the 6th gen being lighter.
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In Japan, they tax by a 500cc displacement increments, so a 2.0 and a 2.3 would be in the same tax bracket. In the UK, For cars registered before 1 March 2001 the excise duty is based on engine size (£140 for vehicles with a capacity of less than 1549cc, £225 for vehicles with larger engines). For vehicles registered on or after 1 March 2001 charges are based on theoretical CO2 emission rates per kilometre.
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I'll second that. WHY EVEN CHANGE CHASSIS TO WEIGHT SAME OR MORE??? There has to be an advantage to that, like freaking weight reduction!! LOL The 5th chassis is from 2008 LOL I'd guess that 2016 is gonna be an upgrade, like less weight Like you said, if it weights the same ITS A BIG HUGE FAIL. Has to be 75-100lbs less. Did I talk about the weight?
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Wait, we're talking GM engines? My bad, I assumed we were discussing Ford powerplants. Either way I supposes you do have a point as the current Duratec 2.0EB (which is being phased out despite after only 4yrs and being used in like dozen vehicles) comes in at 1999cc while the 2.3 is like 2250 or there about. However, the new 2.0 EB if I remember correctly is supposed to be just a hair over 2000cc's.
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