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As for the Tesla stuck on a slushy off ramp, there are a few possibilities here. Base trim Tesla Model 3 and Y are one-motor RWD. They might be traction challenged in that scenario. Or if the car was a Performance trim it might have had the Pirelli summer performance tires on it. Most Model 3/Y Performance owners swap to snow tires. Those who don’t might be in for a surprise in really snowy conditions. Our Model Y is a two-motor long range trim. We haven’t had any snow to speak of yet but I expect it will do just fine.
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01-11-2024, 08:00 AM | #30 |
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It was on on-ramp onto a highway bridge. It looked like the guy pushed wide and got stuck in icy'er deep slush. I think Martinjlm was spot on.
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01-11-2024, 11:14 AM | #31 |
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It does help some, but the weight is pretty much distributed across the entire wheelbase. No real downward focus like you get with the engine over the axles in a FWD car (Volt). So with a 1-motor car, there is no real weight over the powered wheels (rear) and if they don’t have traction, it’s not much different than an ICE RWD in snow. Dual motor cars effectively have AWD and can transition the power to the wheels that have the best traction.
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Ok , here is an interesting bit. I have home charging worked out and it’s easy and straight forward. But the ID4 advertises a range of 275 miles……BUT they also strongly recommend charging to 80% or 220 miles of range. No real world impact and as I’ve mentioned my Buick LaCrosse had a realistic range of 220 miles due to a small tank.
Other issue,and a small one, is the windshield is electrically heated. Because of this our normal gate transponders don’t work. There are workarounds so as I said, small problem.
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By contrast, lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries like to be charged to 100% and they like to be run down to single digit percentages. They do that with little or no range degradation over time. But they don’t have the power density and fast power delivery of NCA and NMC batteries. So you wind up needing more LFP kWh than NCA or NMC batteries (and therefore more mass) to achieve the same range. They also charge slower. And they are also less costly since they don’t use cobalt or manganese. Base level Tesla Model 3 cars use LFP batteries. The Model 3 Performance uses NMC to achieve that car’s strong performance. Basically, LFP batteries are like the 3.6L HFV6 of batteries. NCA and NCM are the LT1 of batteries. Then when you start speccing the motor sizes and placement you’re building the LT4 and LT5 variants.
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James/Jim/JLM (!),
Had not known that the different battery chemistries might invite different optimal charging / charge maintenance strategies. (It almost feels like there's a "memory effect" joke in here somewhere, just waiting to get out...!) Also, while probs could have guessed that the battery componentry ("ingredients"?) would effect charging rates, I definitely did not know that this can affect *output* rates as well, as you describe vis-a-vis the "regular" Model 3 compared to the Performance models. Very interesting.
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01-15-2024, 08:51 PM | #35 |
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Well if you can get over the politics of an EV or feeling like you are being forced to buy one, it’s actually pretty fun to drive. The ID4 is low for an SUV, a bit tall for a sedan. But handling is really good. This really comes down to convenience of charging. If you can do it at home it’s no big deal. It really seems like it comes down to cost of the vehicle. EVs just cost more. Are you going to save enough in gas to offset that. But just driving it? It easily replaces your DD and you won’t miss a thing.
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Our other vehicle is a Toyota Sienna and we take that on vacation, usually in the States, and if it was a BEV I could care less. I would care if there is added inconvenience to an already long road trip though. I try to keep politics out of most decisions, especially large ticket purchases, but I currently can't see any transportation related benefits for me to make the switch to an EV. The new hybrid Sienna could save me on gas and I'd look at that if/when it needs to be replaced. |
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This is a pic from a road trip on the NC500 in Scotland, 500 miles round some of the best driving roads youll find anywhere in the world. We generally attempt to drive it as fast as possible. Youll notice a Tesla Model 3 Performance at the end of the line that keeps up with everything else in this picture, the driver usually gets out a bit fresher then the rest of us too. Admittedly he usually has to slow down for final 10% as hes running low on charge but theres no dropoff in performance, its incredible that a shopping car gets anywhere close. This is the pic from the year before, unfortunately Tesla didnt make this shot but hopefully you can see what Im getting at: |
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01-17-2024, 07:37 AM | #38 |
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But there is this. Something I won't experience here in Florida
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ch...7b80ece99&ei=8
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Folks I know that take long trips with an EV (generally Teslas) do it with both planning and technology. Tesla and their pretty large charger network can get you from a to b fairly smoothly. BUT you will still have charging time to deal with. If you combine that with a bite to eat and a bathroom break, it's not too bad. Don't plan on any really long trips with this car just for knowing where the chargers are and availability, which Tesla does pretty well. Quote:
People have to realize that even California is NOT forcing EVs. What they have mandated is zero emissions vehicles. The automakers are the ones that are currently dictating that the answer to that is an EV. It can also be a Fuel Cell.
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TLDW the Tesla holds its own, outperforming one of them and within 0.5 seconds of the other. No discussion of the car being unable to repeat the session due to battery drain or brake fade or any of the other logical reasons. And this was 4 years ago. The Model 3 Performance has improved a lot since then. Some of that improvement delivered to existing owners in over the air updates. EV’s can’t track. Myth busted. https://youtu.be/9Pu9046wX9g?si=XpRQ-x2YVGwXepXr The base prices of the cars on TH Fast List: 1LE:$50,895 Mustang GT: $46,210 M2 Comp: $63,200 Model 3 Perf: $42,740 Civic Type R: $44,795 Audi RS3: $61,700 Veloster N: $33,595 VW Golf R: $46,890 EVs are more expensive than similar ICE cars. Myth busted.
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In terms of EVs the Taycan/Etron seem to be the most compelling to drive and the best looking. A model S looks good too but not as good. |
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What chemistry did the Volt use? It looks like LFP would have been the best choice there if it was available.
And I just spent a whole mid day driving with a clear wet right lane and a clear tire track/slushed left. I pass a slow right lane Model 3. And the guy gets a bug up his butt, to the left going 10 over, just to chicken out and slow back down in front. The only other intentionally dangerous move I saw yesterday was tailgating. An everyday driver economy EV that defeats conditions doesn't exist yet. Quote:
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