08-30-2017, 09:08 AM | #29 |
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On stock street tires, I don't think the L99 has some big advantage. Either car is gonna be around a 2.0xx 60' times, and pretty even the rest of the way down. The LS3 might trap a few MPH faster.
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08-30-2017, 02:33 PM | #30 |
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I have a hand full of 1.8-1.9 slips from the old L99 on stock tires. Check the fast last. The L99 is usually the fast car in a 1/4 mile drag race. Same on the Mustang forums,6th gen Camaro forums, etc. Automatic transmission will be faster.
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08-30-2017, 03:13 PM | #31 |
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I made my initial comments off the top of my head and based on my own experiences at the track. I'm now looking at the fast lists. Comparing STOCK LS3 to L99:
Best LS3 60' time is a 1.892, average for the top 30 is 2.059, with the best ET being a 12.588@110.30mph. Best L99 60' is a 1.886, average for the top 32 is 2.033, with the best ET/MPH being 12.768@108.09mph. So, the best, and average 60' times are very close. The LS3 has a significant (>.1s, >2mph) advantage in average 1/4 mile ET and trap speed. Only 5 stock L99 cars were able to get into the 12 second range, 16 of the stock LS3 cars were able to do so. I stand by my original statement that the L99 does not have a significant advantage, in stock or near stock form, on street tires. The numbers actually point to the LS3 as having an advantage. Obviously, the LS3 is SIGNIFICANTLY more driver dependent, and without drive-mod would be at a significant dis-advantage.
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The only advantage is running into incapable M6 drivers which are the majority. A properly driven LS3 is faster then a L99, i own a L99 and have driven many M6 ls3's, they got more punch stock plain and simple. Stock trim A6 5.0 dragging everyone |
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The issue with the Camaro is Chevy handicapped the A6 with the L99 which has less power. A6 Corvettes have the LS3. In just about every other car the auto is faster. Check out the new ZL1 & 911 for instance.
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Nevertheless, whether M6 or A6, when looking at 5.0 numbers, we are, on average, about .5 slower out of the gate. Even with Camaro having a slight horsepower advantage and a large torque advantage.
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I would agree that the fast list is not an "average" representation, these are the representative "best" times for each configuration. It showcases the potential of each configuration very well. I said it before, and I'll say it again - the LS3 is far more driver-dependent. For me, I like that. Not only does the car have to perform, but I have to perform, to be successful in any type of speed contest. To me, that's part of the fun, it's more engaging. I don't see anybody arguing here that an automatic is at a dis-advantage in a drag-race. At stockish power levels, I would argue it's not a significant advantage. Maybe for a sub-par stick shift driver it is. I'd happily race anybody mod for mod with an L99 that wants to prove me wrong, but it I just haven't found the L99 to have some big advantage.
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very good point.
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Is there an expectation that only the M6 guys on the fast list are hardcore racers and the A6 guys are all just average Joe's? It may very well be the case that the fast list represents the "Best of the Best" in both cars and drivers, but that would be the case equally for the A6 and M6 cars. So, if it's on even terms, then it still disproves the theory that the A6, in stock/near stock form, has some advantage over the M6.
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Stock for stock, the LS3 outperforms the L99 in the quarter mile. That was the original discussion here - see posts #20, #24 and #25. I reviewed the data on the forum as you suggested, and it supports the fact that the stock LS3 outperforms the L99 in both ET and trap speed. There was not much of a difference in the 60'. No where has anyone disagreed that the auto isn't the preferred way to go at the dragstrip, especially once you start to add power and traction. Obviously if you've spent any amount of time at a drag strip, you know the 60' is everything, and the automatic has an advantage there in the case of easy, repeatable launches. But that's not discussion at hand. Bayarea408 posited (post #20) that the auto 5.0 > 5.0M6/LS3 > L99 all in stock form. rontammy0 disagreed (post #24). gmcvt challenged that (post #25). So we reviewed the stock for stock data and supported Bayarea408's conclusion.
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