Best Z28 Model Year?

[AZCamaroFan]

for looks i like the IROC-Z. for speed , obviously the LS1 Z28 is the fastest. it seemes like the 93-97 Z28's were tied down to the road the best.

[98_Camaro]

Originally Posted by Connor15

, ive been around cars since i was very young, i have been taught how to act responsible and not to mess around while on the road, cars are a privilege to be able to drive, not a right.

That's some serious .
But don't forget that it's not necessarily a responsibility issue. A V8 will have higher insurance and higher gas prices, which is the reason I'm driving a V6. Although, I'm not paying for it either, so by no means am I complaining. The V6 has a enough pep for a first car, and if you can find a nice one like mine, the compliments will never cease.

As for your question, I always liked the 4th gen Camaro's ever since I saw an early 4th gen Firebird. The birds are nice, but the friends are better, IMO. The LT1 is certainly an engine you wouldn't want to mess with a little modding, and the LS1 was the beast back in the day. But, since you don't seem to care for the styling of the LS1 Camaro's, I'd say a '97 Camaro Z28 is what you'd probably like. It's got the style of the 4th gen, updated interior from the earlier years in that generation (trust me; 4 cup-holders is a blessing), and a mean motor to boot. If you can find one, I'd say go SS. SLP did a great job with them back in the day.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

i've always wondered about the validity of the claimed weight of the 1993 Z28. i have articles of subsequent years, 95, 97 and the weight is up around 3460. never understood how a 93 can 3370 and a 98 with aluminum engine is 70 pounds more.

I haven't researched it but you also have to consider the additional safety equipment, plus additional standard equipment and other improvements (more sound deadening, larger wheels and tires larger springs and swaybars, they all add weight) they might have added in later years.
Just supposing, no fact but I can see it may have happened.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

oh man.... i read it on the internet..... it has to be true!! LMFAO

if you actually believe numbers that you find on the intrawebs, then would you mind sending me a picture of yourself, so I can see if I can get webster to put it next to the word gullible?

does msn and yahoo and whatever camaro book you are looking at specify what options are on the car? you can add damn near 5-600 lbs in options on a 4th gen.

Lets see.... 93 z28 vs 1sc 00 z28....

the 93 has a cast iron block... there's 80 lbs
aluminum intake... another 10 lbs
steel gas tank... i'd guess 10 lbs
if you have ever taken apart both, you would know they are virtually the same

well i guess the 93 does have one weight advantage... it doesn't have a MAF..... so you are telling me that a maf sensor from a 2000 camaro weighs 100+ lbs?!?! lol.

camaro book is a published book. here you can pick it up at amazon.com

where are you getting your numbers? at least i was backing my numbers up. calling me gullible. I would be if I just believed what you said instead of doing some research and finding legit websites. not what some people claim.

I will agree that the cars in question should be base with out options. for the lightest we are talking about. and considering that's what I was looking for I tried to find it.

I'm also going to say that there's more sound deadening material in the 98-02's then there was in the 93's. not saying that make a big difference but it does weight more. maf is what anywhere from 5-10 lbs? you tell me.

I have owned both lt1 and ls1. in no way do I say the lt1 is a better car. I'm just simply stating a fact. you want to call names and try to insult me for using a resource and you just make claims. that goes to show how stupid our society really is getting.

oh let me add something about the ls1's. 98-02. personally I feel you should stay away from them. if you do mod and use a hand held tuner the only one available for the 98 is the Hypertech power programmer III. It's alright BUT can only be used with cat back and a lid swap. anything else and it will lean out the motor. I currently have an ls1 block sitting on my deck due to not reading the warning in the HPIII manual. with the 99-02 cars you have the predator programmer and can upload custom maps. so much better then the hpIII for hand helds. as for really tuning it there is other software available that is better.

[danhr]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

camaro book is a published book. here you can pick it up at amazon.com

where are you getting your numbers? at least i was backing my numbers up. calling me gullible. I would be if I just believed what you said instead of doing some research and finding legit websites. not what some people claim.

I will agree that the cars in question should be base with out options. for the lightest we are talking about. and considering that's what I was looking for I tried to find it.

I'm also going to say that there's more sound deadening material in the 98-02's then there was in the 93's. not saying that make a big difference but it does weight more. maf is what anywhere from 5-10 lbs? you tell me.

I have owned both lt1 and ls1. in no way do I say the lt1 is a better car. I'm just simply stating a fact. you want to call names and try to insult me for using a resource and you just make claims. that goes to show how stupid our society really is getting.

oh let me add something about the ls1's. 98-02. personally I feel you should stay away from them. if you do mod and use a hand held tuner the only one available for the 98 is the Hypertech power programmer III. It's alright BUT can only be used with cat back and a lid swap. anything else and it will lean out the motor. I currently have an ls1 block sitting on my deck due to not reading the warning in the HPIII manual. with the 99-02 cars you have the predator programmer and can upload custom maps. so much better then the hpIII for hand helds. as for really tuning it there is other software available that is better.

how many lt1's and ls1s have you stripped down to bare shells? I used to do it for a living (buy wrecked ones from auctions/strip them down/part them out). There is not too much different. I am still waiting for you to tell me where this other 100+ lbs of weight reduction that a 93 has over a ls1 z28.

The fact you wasted money on a hypertech for an ls1, and further more actually are trying to justify using one, especially on a 98 pcm, shows just how intelligent you are.

thank you and please come again.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by danhr

how many lt1's and ls1s have you stripped down to bare shells? I used to do it for a living (buy wrecked ones from auctions/strip them down/part them out). There is not too much different. I am still waiting for you to tell me where this other 100+ lbs of weight reduction that a 93 has over a ls1 z28.

The fact you wasted money on a hypertech for an ls1, and further more actually are trying to justify using one, especially on a 98 pcm, shows just how intelligent you are.

thank you and please come again.

FYI
The published figures for the Z-28 Weights are for cars with Standard equipment. No options. The 1993 Z-28 Came standard with a 6 Speed Manual transmission, the 1998 up Z-28 Came standard with a 4 speed Automatic transmission. I would say that is definately a difference in weight.
I got this info from Cars.com if you want to check it out. If you compare like for like cars I would say similarlly equipped cars would be closer in weight.
Can we agree on this fact?
So please everyone quit making personal attacts....

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

how many lt1's and ls1s have you stripped down to bare shells? I used to do it for a living (buy wrecked ones from auctions/strip them down/part them out). There is not too much different. I am still waiting for you to tell me where this other 100+ lbs of weight reduction that a 93 has over a ls1 z28.

LMAO. this coming from the guy that called me gullible for posting up numbers from legit websites. This is the internet I could be anyone I want to be and say anything I want to say. thats' why I look for legit websites. you are here trying to make an argument for one and you're insulting me for believing legit websites. and not taking your word for it. yea ok.

what's the weight difference in the nose? not the engine but the nose of the car? a bigger nose on the ls1's has to weight more. . .hmmm why don't you do some research and pull that up for me. oh wait I'll have to just take your word for it. and to prove your point you'll just tell me you've torn many 4th gens down. great argument.

when edmunds.com could have proved you right about which year was the lightest. but not for a base z28. just a de-contented one. the 1sc is an option to remove the standard features. according to edmunds the 2000 z28 came in at 3309, the 93 came in at 3373. but 98-99 and 01/02, all come in at 3439. but again you'll laugh and make fun of me for pulling numbers off the internet. but yet I still proved your original statement sorta right. a de-contented 2000 1sc z28 is lighter.

The fact you wasted money on a hypertech for an ls1, and further more actually are trying to justify using one, especially on a 98 pcm, shows just how intelligent you are.

thank you and please come again.

you don't know the history behind why I had the hypertech. just maybe it was thrown in with the car. or maybe I got a great deal on it and didn't see a justification for a dyno tune until I had done more mods. either way you're still acting like an asshole and it's showing how stupid you really are. because you obviously don't realize the 98 pcm is only compatible with the HPP3, when it comes to handhelds. And you're reading skills need to be improved. I was telling him to stay away from the 98's because of the pcm. but I didn't specifically say pcm. I focused on the handheld tuners.

I'm sure you've made mistakes when modding; if you've really done anything at all. But you'd rather be an asshole and call someone stupid for using a HPP3 on a 98 z28. you'd rather be a dumb ass and not back things up when the proof is right there to prove you almost right. seeing how you're argument was for all ls1 4th gen z28's. and not just one specific year.

if you had been a little more intelligent and respectful, I wouldn't be calling you a dumbass and asshole. which appropriately describes you in this situation.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

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[danhr]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

according to edmunds the 2000 z28 came in at 3309, the 93 came in at 3373

just to some this up

You: the 93 z28 is the lightest 4th gen fbody
Me: you are on crack
You: I read it on the internet, it has to be true
Me: you are gullible, and you shouldn't believe everything you read
You: edmunds says the 2000 z28 weighs 3309, and the 93 z28 weighs 3373... so the 1993 is lighter!


I want you to read everything you said. Because you are telling me the combined weight of the addition of a maf sensor and a different style front end, which is made of fiberglass/plastic, is going to make up 150+ lbs. and then you are going to tell me everything you read on the internet is true, and then qoute edmunds, which says i'm right....... which somehow proves you are right.

did you also read on the internet that a tornado will give you 10+ rwhp?

[danhr]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

FYI
The published figures for the Z-28 Weights are for cars with Standard equipment. No options. The 1993 Z-28 Came standard with a 6 Speed Manual transmission, the 1998 up Z-28 Came standard with a 4 speed Automatic transmission. I would say that is definately a difference in weight.
I got this info from Cars.com if you want to check it out. If you compare like for like cars I would say similarlly equipped cars would be closer in weight.
Can we agree on this fact?
So please everyone quit making personal attacts....

i did not know that, and is actually a valid reason on why it would "seem" a 93 is lighter.... there is a weight difference between a t56 and 700r4.....

but i did mention something along the lines of that before saying that msn nor yahoo does not specify why options are on the car that they list the curb weight for.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

just to some this up

You: the 93 z28 is the lightest 4th gen fbody
Me: you are on crack
You: I read it on the internet, it has to be true
Me: you are gullible, and you shouldn't believe everything you read
You: edmunds says the 2000 z28 weighs 3309, and the 93 z28 weighs 3373... so the 1993 is lighter!


I want you to read everything you said. Because you are telling me the combined weight of the addition of a maf sensor and a different style front end, which is made of fiberglass/plastic, is going to make up 150+ lbs. and then you are going to tell me everything you read on the internet is true, and then qoute edmunds, which says i'm right....... which somehow proves you are right.

wow you are pretty stupid. and no I didn't say the maf plus just the front end. you're the one that brought up the maf. which negates a little weight from the aluminum block ls1. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how much the front end weights. since you're such an expert. I'm also sure there are other areas there's more weight between the two. . .I'm still waiting for your real facts. I'm still waiting for you to prove yourself.

a de-contented car isn't a base z28. which doesn't prove you right or me right. we were talking about a base z28.

putting words into peoples mouths must be all you're good at. again you haven't proven anything. again you're just being an asshole. again I ask you to prove things yourself. but again you just attack. I see where this is going.

did you also read on the internet that a tornado will give you 10+ rwhp?

I probably did read that. doesn't mean I believed it. but I can tell you that the hpp3 did improve my et. stock I went from a best 13.5 to a best 13.2. in my 98 ls1 m6 z28.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

i did not know that, and is actually a valid reason on why it would "seem" a 93 is lighter.... there is a weight difference between a t56 and 700r4.....

but i did mention something along the lines of that before saying that msn nor yahoo does not specify why options are on the car that they list the curb weight for.

really the 4l60e is an improved version of the 700r4. guess you didn't know that either. . .or you still think it's a 700r4?

yes you did mention the options thing. and that's why we went with base z28. no options. which makes your argument about a 1sc z28 invalid. because it's an option.

[danhr]

no i just saw 93 and automatically thought 700r4

forgot the 6 speed was the 93 and the 4l80e was the 98.

and no

you said the 93 z28 was the LIGHTEST 4TH GEN EVER.

that was the topic... not the lightest base model z28.

you keep contradicting yourself

ok... so you want me to prove that an iron block lt1 weighs more than an aluminum block ls1

or that an aluminum intake weighs more than a plastic one

or that a steel gas tank weighs more than a plastic one


maybe you should stick with having blown ls1 blocks in your living room and using hypertech programmers. or thinking that the number 3309 is more than 3373

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

no i just saw 93 and automatically thought 700r4

forgot the 6 speed was the 93 and the 4l80e was the 98.

and no

you said the 93 z28 was the LIGHTEST 4TH GEN EVER.

that was the topic... not the lightest base model z28.

you keep contradicting yourself

ok... so you want me to prove that an iron block lt1 weighs more than an aluminum block ls1

or that an aluminum intake weighs more than a plastic one

or that a steel gas tank weighs more than a plastic one


maybe you should stick with having blown ls1 blocks in your living room and using hypertech programmers. or thinking that the number 3309 is more than 3373

lmao. like I keep saying you won't prove anything. this is the same guy that called me gullible. yes. the same guy that everything that comes out of his mouth is right. . .but can't prove it. you won't prove anything.

and like I said the 1sc z28 isn't the base. we started talking about base z28's. a 1sc will be even harder to find then a regular z28. but like I said is lighter than the 93 z28. how am I contradicting myself when I did admit you were right about there being a lighter 4th gen, but were wrong about base? I did admit that about the 1sc. especially after I found a legitimate website to prove it. unlike you and your willingness to back yourself up.

I never said once that the engine, manifold, and tank were all that mattered. but that's all you are focusing on. I'm looking at the car as a whole. you're entire focus is on just the engine. and when you only compare just the engine that's about 70 lbs difference max. also the OP doesn't like the look of the 98-02 camaro's. so his choice for the remaining years for the lightest still remains the same.

all I ever asked was for you to back yourself up, but you won't. you can't call someone gullible for pulling websites and then not back yourself up on facts other then saying I've done... that's actually worse then going to msn/yahoo to get information. because anyone on here can make up some bs facts.

btw the block isn't in my living room, yet. and I learn from my mistakes. unlike some.

also it's 4l60e not 4l80e