GMPP headers, intake, catback??

[ArcAngel]

hmmmm interesting

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by zebra

i figure they probably are just a guestimate, just i thought the dealer-installed items you order with the car include installation costs. like the Hurst shifter is $380 & that includes putting it on. if that's the way it is, $4000 would be way too much to spend on CAI & exhaust

$380.00 is too much to begin with, but thats just my opinion.


however, there are some "truists" that will pay that much for the parts and to have them installed so that they have documented upgrades. I however am out to deny the rule of

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[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by kylepo

no it wont im a dealer trust me. their are laws that state the dealer must prove that infact the after market part you have installed is causing the problem you are trying to get fixed under warranty.

I'm a mechanic at a dealership, I know just as much as you. They don't have to prove a thing, it the aftermarket part is tied to the normal function of another part, and the second part malfunctions, the dealership has to right to deny warranty coverage. If you put in an aftermarket cam, and the engine starts misfiring because timing was incorrectly adjusted, it won't be covered. If you put on an aftermarket header/downpipe and there is a code for Catalyst Efficiency, it wont be covered. Plus, even if it isn't directly tied to the aftermarket part, how many people are really going to go to the expense of court fees when they could pay the money to have it fixed for cheaper.

You pay to play. If you start adding aftermarket parts, you take responsibilty that some things just won't be covered. Believing otherwise is just setting yourself up for a rude awakening.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

I'm a mechanic at a dealership, I know just as much as you. They don't have to prove a thing, it the aftermarket part is tied to the normal function of another part, and the second part malfunctions, the dealership has to right to deny warranty coverage. If you put in an aftermarket cam, and the engine starts misfiring because timing was incorrectly adjusted, it won't be covered. If you put on an aftermarket header/downpipe and there is a code for Catalyst Efficiency, it wont be covered. Plus, even if it isn't directly tied to the aftermarket part, how many people are really going to go to the expense of court fees when they could pay the money to have it fixed for cheaper.

You pay to play. If you start adding aftermarket parts, you take responsibilty that some things just won't be covered. Believing otherwise is just setting yourself up for a rude awakening.

Im sorry but you do have to show proof that the after market part caused the other part to fail. If someone used a aftermarket oil filter and the engine blew up do you loose you warranty because it was the aftermarket filters fault?

[ArcAngel]

i would have to agree with kylepo

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by kylepo

Im sorry but you do have to show proof that the after market part caused the other part to fail. If someone used a aftermarket oil filter and the engine blew up do you loose you warranty because it was the aftermarket filters fault?

depends on why the engine blew up. if it was low oil flow thru a crappy filter.... then yeah, its the filters (and thereby) your fault.

[NJSPEEDER]

GMPP will roll out the stuff, but at their usual outrageous prices. You can not be forced to install GM's products nor can they force you to have their own dealership techs do the install of aftermarket parts.

An equivalent part, installed by any certified mechanic, will retain your factory warranty just was well as the overpriced GMPP parts and the lewd dealership labor rates.

If you want to spend the money on the GMPP stuff, more power to ya, but the aftermarket is already selling 99% of what you need to hop up the power and handling of your new Camaro. The stuff is all in boxes marked G8 right now, but everyone will start listing their Camaro applications soon enough.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by kylepo

Im sorry but you do have to show proof that the after market part caused the other part to fail. If someone used a aftermarket oil filter and the engine blew up do you loose you warranty because it was the aftermarket filters fault?

You are exactly right. Unfortunately not enough people know their rights and dealership would rather get the full book of doing a repair than they would the half book of warranty work.

Some things it is a no brainer, the cam he used as an example would be one. You changed the internal function of the engine and now things are bad, short answer is why did you dig into the engine.

For things like cold air intakes, exhaust systems that retain factory emissions, wheels and tires, and other such bolt ons, the obligation of proof is on the dealership and 99 out of 100, there is no link. As soon as a factory or manufacturer offers similar equipment to be installed, that last 1 of 100 is gone because you to say that the after market part cause the failure would be to admit yours was of inferior performance and they aren't gonna let that be the image they put out.

[56chevywagon]

So, my question is; has anybody gotten confirmation from their dealer on these options? I have asked mine and they still tell me that they are not in their system under the order process (I assume that is the Workbench).

[TonytheTiger]

I would say about 25-35 Hp, Just me guess.

[56chevywagon]

My guesses on HP would be about:
Headers - 15hp
Exhaust - 5-10hp
CAI - 3-5hp

All three together - 25-30hp

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

depends on why the engine blew up. if it was low oil flow thru a crappy filter.... then yeah, its the filters (and thereby) your fault.

exactly it depends on why. not just because you have the crappy filter.

[NVMY68SS]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

when were those prices set in stone? I thought that was just pete's guesses

When I posted this.........

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ht=GMPP+prices

I'm sure they are still subject to change.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by NVMY68SS

When I posted this.........

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ht=GMPP+prices

I'm sure they are still subject to change.

cool.

yeah, set in stone, subject to change.