1/4 mile time might not be as good as everyone hopes

[fireresq157]

Originally Posted by wjones14

The 6-speed GXP is 3980 lbs, while the 6-speed SS is supposedly 3860.

Car And Driver also got 13.3 @ 109 mph from the GXP, so that matches Motor Trend's numbers.

So there is a ~ 100 lb weight difference, and possibly a gear ratio difference, so it is possible the SS could do the 1/4 mile in the high 12s.

I think they are the same company so probably used same test.

[Paul]

my wife's camaro no reductions...btw she hated it after the convertor because it drives around like it was revving all the time....my mustang i did all kinds of weight reductions...no steel bumpers, took all insulation out, ect...by the end the mustang best time 10.80's at 125 with 1.75's in the 60' on drag radials with roll cage and me in it it weighed 3250ish...before the blower it was running 11.90-12.10's at 110 on drag radials with the same 60's....as another guy posted roughly every tenth you can shave off your 60' you gain .15-.2 tenths in the 1/4....you guys really learn how to shift and use the clutch you should 60' 1.85-1.9 with these new camaro's....i am going to just play on street tires until i find the optimum shift point then i will put the slicks on it....and if the car trap speeds 110-112 and i can 60' 1.6-1.7 range it should be an 11 second pass....alll in all i am very excited because the will be the fastest stock car i have started with...i will probably be the first one on this site breaking the half shafts with slicks

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Lol MT and c&d can't drive.

This always makes me laugh. So the testers at Car and Driver can't drive? Do you have any idea who they are?

Try Patrick Bedard, who raced twice in the Indy 500. Or Csaba Cere, who has competed in a ton of 24-hour events, and has driven every kind of car you can imagine, up to Nascar and F1 cars. You think these guys don't know how to drive?

My point is that you can't make a blanket statement like that. If all the magazines are getting similar numbers, why not just accept it?

And Car And Driver did test a 6-speed manual GXP when they got the 13.3 @ 109 mph 1/4 mile run, for those who think it was an auto.

[CamaroSSforme]

Originally Posted by Paul

my wife's camaro no reductions...btw she hated it after the convertor because it drives around like it was revving all the time....my mustang i did all kinds of weight reductions...no steel bumpers, took all insulation out, ect...by the end the mustang best time 10.80's at 125 with 1.75's in the 60' on drag radials with roll cage and me in it it weighed 3250ish...before the blower it was running 11.90-12.10's at 110 on drag radials with the same 60's....as another guy posted roughly every tenth you can shave off your 60' you gain .15-.2 tenths in the 1/4....you guys really learn how to shift and use the clutch you should 60' 1.85-1.9 with these new camaro's....i am going to just play on street tires until i find the optimum shift point then i will put the slicks on it....and if the car trap speeds 110-112 and i can 60' 1.6-1.7 range it should be an 11 second pass....alll in all i am very excited because the will be the fastest stock car i have started with...i will probably be the first one on this site breaking the half shafts with slicks

I've never raced a car, but have tracked my ol' bike a few times. I just don't see it happening and I'll lay money on it. Not bone stock no how, no way.

As a qualifier...I wasn't very good on track day and often had my rear handed to me even though I'd heavily modified my 1100XX (dyno'd 152 hp at 453lbs and could only manage 9.85 pass @ 147 mph). Hell had a friend have a go on my own ride and beat my best time. I say all that to say that I've a good idea what an 11 second ride is..and it isn't 425 hp with 3850 lbs.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by fireresq157

I think they are the same company so probably used same test.

I don't know. Car and Driver only published the results of a 6-speed manual GXP, while Motor Trend's test said they used both the auto and stick versions, and said the stick was quicker by at most .1 to .2 seconds.

Car And Driver: 13.3 @ 109 mph

Motor Trend: 13.0 @ 109.6 mph

[96CAMaro]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

We've heard so many insiders say that High 12 are possible. I wish they'd give one to the mags so we can get the speculation over with....

I'm confident the Camaro will see 12 sec 1/4 times stock.

That makes me sad hearing that. I was really hoping that the average driver would be able to pull 12.9's (or better) all day long in semi decent weather.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by 96CAMaro

That makes me sad hearing that. I was really hoping that the average driver would be able to pull 12.9's (or better) all day long in semi decent weather.

I never said they couldn't. I just said that it's possible. There's still hope for the average driver.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by MerF

Paul you have all the qualities of a bonafide bench racer. There's just no realistic thought process that justifies those numbers from these 3800+ lbs cars....stock. It's not physically possible.

+1

Originally Posted by Tal

I believe Paul may consider any mods that aren't internal to the engine stock.

Bolt-on WS6 would run mid 12s on a tire, so yeah, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by wjones14

This always makes me laugh. So the testers at Car and Driver can't drive? Do you have any idea who they are?

Try Patrick Bedard, who raced twice in the Indy 500. Or Csaba Cere, who has competed in a ton of 24-hour events, and has driven every kind of car you can imagine, up to Nascar and F1 cars. You think these guys don't know how to drive?

Roundy round racing and drag racing are two VERY different concepts. Being an accomplished road racer and being a great drag racer require very different skill sets.

[delius]

Yeah...well Camaro is gonna be awesome no matter what...and the new launch feature should be able to keep consistent numbers...that would be awesome if they threw in the no-lift and take out the human part out of it (cough jk). But the no-lift would be kinda cool for casual people.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by JJ#48Racing

11's stock, no way in hell, even with drag radials.

how much weight can we take off? lol

Originally Posted by havocnmayhem2005

Fastest stock ls1 is 10.65?? Not understanding that one....
I guess I can see everyone's point on this. It does have a high trap speed, but I would be one not to catch that in reading because I havn't ever been to a dragstrip and raced myself. I do have a 99 Z28 that is basically stock A4 with 2.73's, and when I first bought it I was impressed, but now I'm getting used to it. I hope the 5th gen does do really good, I'd like to see it.

get rid of those 2.73s for some 3.73s or at least some 3.42s or even 3.23s at the least. then throw a converter at that beast and hang on.

as for the stock LS1 10.65, thats the bolt-on record for the moment. no internal modification save for rockers. but theres also a metric shit ton of weight removed from the car as well

Originally Posted by wjones14

This always makes me laugh. So the testers at Car and Driver can't drive? Do you have any idea who they are?

Try Patrick Bedard, who raced twice in the Indy 500. Or Csaba Cere, who has competed in a ton of 24-hour events, and has driven every kind of car you can imagine, up to Nascar and F1 cars. You think these guys don't know how to drive?

My point is that you can't make a blanket statement like that. If all the magazines are getting similar numbers, why not just accept it?

And Car And Driver did test a 6-speed manual GXP when they got the 13.3 @ 109 mph 1/4 mile run, for those who think it was an auto.

racing circle track doesnt mean they know how to launch a car at a drag strip.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

racing circle track doesnt mean they know how to launch a car at a drag strip.

Yeah okay, I'm sure there are a lot of guys on this forum who can out-drive the testers at Car And Driver.

Anyway, I said Bedard raced in two Indy 500 races and Csaba raced in a bunch of 24-hour races, just responding to the poster who said that the guys at Car and Driver can't drive. Those guys drive more exotic supercars in a month than most of us drive in a lifetime. They do it for a living. But if you think they can't nail a good 1/4 mile time, fine.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Yeah okay, I'm sure there are a lot of guys on this forum who can out-drive the testers at Car And Driver.

actually there might be some. same as with the LT1 and LS1 cars. owners were able to get better times than the mags did.

Originally Posted by wjones14

Anyway, I said Bedard raced in two Indy 500 races and Csaba raced in a bunch of 24-hour races, just responding to the poster who said that the guys at Car and Driver can't drive. Those guys drive more exotic supercars in a month than most of us drive in a lifetime. They do it for a living. But if you think they can't nail a good 1/4 mile time, fine.

its not the whole 1/4 time, its the 60 ft. 2 seconds.... thats a freaking lifetime on the track. lol

[pharmd]

The key to this heavy pig of a car going fast will be the launch...are 11's possible trapping 109-111...yeah, even in a heavy pig, but it will take a 1.6 60' to do it...how do I know...I have a 5000lb TBSS, ran 12.39 @ 106.6...another TBSS ran 12.2 @ 109...so yeah, its POSSIBLE for it to happen...

DO I think it will...just depends on how hard someone is willing to run their car. Look people pretty much anything is possible...just happens that posters on here leave out details alot of times to make their story sound more impressive...or they exaggerate....a 12.2 becomes 11.99 etc. The key will be $$$, time, brains, the and willingness to break stuff. Anyone with all 4 will be able to do things most don't think are possible.

But yeah, 12.4 @ 110 on a STOCK f-body is NOT possible without GOOD tires and ALOT of weight removal...I knew a couple FREAK f-bods back in the day, 12.39 @ 112, and that was LT's, CAI, Tune, DR, cutout, and maybe gear...no major weight removal and no slicks/skinny's though...an no suspension work. Remove weight, slicks/skinny's, suspension work and the ET might be possible....that MPH might be stretching it some though...just depends on the weight.

Stock on street tires the new maro' will probably go high 12's, but I'd say, 8/10 people won't accomplish that. Throw on some DR and I'd say, 60-70% WILL. Question is, will a bolt-on go 11's without major weight removal?

FYI...fastest cam only G8 GT just went 10's @ high 120's. Get ready we are in for some FUN times!

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by pharmd

The key to this heavy pig of a car going fast will be the launch...are 11's possible trapping 109-111...yeah, even in a heavy pig, but it will take a 1.6 60' to do it...how do I know...I have a 5000lb TBSS, ran 12.39 @ 106.6...another TBSS ran 12.2 @ 109...so yeah, its POSSIBLE for it to happen...

DO I think it will...just depends on how hard someone is willing to run their car. Look people pretty much anything is possible...just happens that posters on here leave out details alot of times to make their story sound more impressive...or they exaggerate....a 12.2 becomes 11.99 etc. The key will be $$$, time, brains, the and willingness to break stuff. Anyone with all 4 will be able to do things most don't think are possible.

But yeah, 12.4 @ 110 on a STOCK f-body is NOT possible without GOOD tires and ALOT of weight removal...I knew a couple FREAK f-bods back in the day, 12.39 @ 112, and that was LT's, CAI, Tune, DR, cutout, and maybe gear...no major weight removal and no slicks/skinny's though...an no suspension work. Remove weight, slicks/skinny's, suspension work and the ET might be possible....that MPH might be stretching it some though...just depends on the weight.

Stock on street tires the new maro' will probably go high 12's, but I'd say, 8/10 people won't accomplish that. Throw on some DR and I'd say, 60-70% WILL. Question is, will a bolt-on go 11's without major weight removal?

FYI...fastest cam only G8 GT just went 10's @ high 120's. Get ready we are in for some FUN times!

Track location, temperature and altitude will make a big difference, too. Most of these factors never make print in the magazines.