Which Oil

[NavyDood]

Originally Posted by Nasty1970

Wix filter all the way...
here is the V8 filter: Part Number:57060 UPC Number:765809570603 Principal Application: Various GM, Saturn, Saab, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep (07-11) Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full FlowMedia:PaperHeight:3.430Outer Diameter Top:2.970 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size:22X1.5MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI:16 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio:2/75=8/22Max Flow Rate:10-12 GPM Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Attached 2.758 2.420 0.270

The rating on the WIX is nominal. Nominal is nice to know, but the absolute rating is what is important. Nominal is what the filter will filter at 50% of the time. Absolute is what the filter will filter at 98.7% of the time. That WIX filter has a nominal rating of 21um which would make the absolute rating around 35um. That would make it a smidge better than the AC Delco. AC Delco ratings are 25um nominal and 40um absolute. WIX is good at playing the marketing game and so are other companies. They only publish the nominal rating because it is the lower number. For the average person they think they are getting a top notch filter when all they are really getting is an average filter. Some of WIX’s fuel filters only have a nominal rating; they don’t even publish an absolute number. Stay far away in that case.

Then there is a little unknown company called Baldwin. The Baldwin filter for our Camaro SS is the Baldwin B160. In general, all Baldwin filters are in the 10-15um range nominal and 20-30um range absolute. This would be a much better filter than the WIX or AC Delco. They can be bought online for as little as $4.35 a piece.

This leads me back to the Amsoil EA oil filter. The correct Amsoil oil filter for the Camaro SS is the Ea15K50. Amsoil doesn’t even bother posting nominal ratings since they have little meaning. The absolute ratings are 100% at 20um, 98.7% at 15um, and up to 70% at 7um.

Here’s another piece of info. Normal wear particles in your oil are sub-micron and pass right through the filter. Not even a bypass filter will remove them.

Although I rambled on, just about any filter will do you just fine. It all comes down to the individual and what makes them feel good.

[Nasty1970]

Originally Posted by NavyDood

The rating on the WIX is nominal. Nominal is nice to know, but the absolute rating is what is important. Nominal is what the filter will filter at 50% of the time. Absolute is what the filter will filter at 98.7% of the time. That WIX filter has a nominal rating of 21um which would make the absolute rating around 35um. That would make it a smidge better than the AC Delco. AC Delco ratings are 25um nominal and 40um absolute. WIX is good at playing the marketing game and so are other companies. They only publish the nominal rating because it is the lower number. For the average person they think they are getting a top notch filter when all they are really getting is an average filter. Some of WIX’s fuel filters only have a nominal rating; they don’t even publish an absolute number. Stay far away in that case.

Then there is a little unknown company called Baldwin. The Baldwin filter for our Camaro SS is the Baldwin B160. In general, all Baldwin filters are in the 10-15um range nominal and 20-30um range absolute. This would be a much better filter than the WIX or AC Delco. They can be bought online for as little as $4.35 a piece.

This leads me back to the Amsoil EA oil filter. The correct Amsoil oil filter for the Camaro SS is the Ea15K50. Amsoil doesn’t even bother posting nominal ratings since they have little meaning. The absolute ratings are 100% at 20um, 98.7% at 15um, and up to 70% at 7um.

Here’s another piece of info. Normal wear particles in your oil are sub-micron and pass right through the filter. Not even a bypass filter will remove them.

Although I rambled on, just about any filter will do you just fine. It all comes down to the individual and what makes them feel good.

Great info, I remember reading about this a long time ago. I wonder if there is a inverse relationship to the nominal rating, or absolute rating, to flow and performance of the oil? In other words, does a filter that has the best Absolute rating have the poorest flow rating? And does that cause any type of oil starvation issues, or premature oil pump failures?

Its interesting, because years ago in the 60's canister type filters were said to filter better than screw on filters, and were attributed to engines lasting longer. But the study I read said it had nothing to do with the oil, it had to do with the high Nickle content of the block.

[Badger]

Pennzoil Ultra.....and I believe it has the dexos rating for 2011's

[NavyDood]

Originally Posted by Nasty1970

Great info, I remember reading about this a long time ago. I wonder if there is a inverse relationship to the nominal rating, or absolute rating, to flow and performance of the oil? In other words, does a filter that has the best Absolute rating have the poorest flow rating? And does that cause any type of oil starvation issues, or premature oil pump failures?

Its interesting, because years ago in the 60's canister type filters were said to filter better than screw on filters, and were attributed to engines lasting longer. But the study I read said it had nothing to do with the oil, it had to do with the high Nickle content of the block.

Yes, that is where a manufacturer can run into problems. If the absolute rating gets too low, you will hinder flow. Manufacturers come up with a good balance of lowest um rating, flow and contaminate loading that their media can handle. Advances in media technology have made lower um ratings possible and not hinder flow even when reaching their holding capacity. Three great examples of these medias are Amsoil NanoFiber, Donaldson SynTeq and Fleetguard Stratapore.

I have heard cartridge style filters are a better design than a spin on and take less resources to manufacture.

[cybergrayls3]

Mobil 1..Pennzoil platinum...Pennzoil ultra..all very good oil,and all can withstand the max oil change interval going off the oil life monitor. I personally use Mobil 1 but from everything I've read on bobistheoilguy Pennzoil ultra consistently shows better wear numbers than Mobil 1.

[Blueovalman]

Originally Posted by cybergrayls3

Mobil 1..Pennzoil platinum...Pennzoil ultra..all very good oil,and all can withstand the max oil change interval going off the oil life monitor. I personally use Mobil 1 but from everything I've read on bobistheoilguy Pennzoil ultra consistently shows better wear numbers than Mobil 1.

Got proof?
I would never use Pennzoil anything in any of my vehicles but,to
each his own.

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by Blueovalman

Got proof?
I would never use Pennzoil anything in any of my vehicles but,to
each his own.

Yeah, the proof are the UOA's posted here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

Go search and look for yourself. Not only Pennzoil products, but many others that outperform Mobil 1.

[NavyDood]

Pennzoil must have upped their game. I would never run that water either.

[Nasty1970]

I wouldnt run Pennzoil either...but I guess Ive always been a Mobile1 guy...Ive been reading about this stuff for 15 years, been running it in almost everything I have, truck, Harley, 1970 camaro, cushman, lawnmowers, and never had an oil related problem...

[Blueovalman]

Originally Posted by jehartley

Yeah, the proof are the UOA's posted here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

Go search and look for yourself. Not only Pennzoil products, but many others that outperform Mobil 1.

Intrusting I will check it out.
Every motor oil brand is different and has different blends and additives
in their motor oils.
I personally wouldn't put a Pennzoil product in my lawnmover but,
regardless of their tests how really knows the real conditions of the
vehicles that these people do the tests on.
What they will probably not tell you on that site is that Mobil 1 synthetic
motor oil is a high quality motor oil to use and Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil
is endorsed and highly recommended to use by GM engineering.
Even when I get my Camaro I will continue to use Mobil 1 synthetic
motor oil and Mobil 1 oil filters. Use what works best for you and to each his own.

[Badger]

Originally Posted by Blueovalman

Intrusting I will check it out.
Every motor oil brand is different and has different blends and additives
in their motor oils.
I personally wouldn't put a Pennzoil product in my lawnmover but,
regardless of their tests how really knows the real conditions of the
vehicles that these people do the tests on.
What they will probably not tell you on that site is that Mobil 1 synthetic
motor oil is a high quality motor oil to use and Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil
is endorsed and highly recommended to use by GM engineering.
Even when I get my Camaro I will continue to use Mobil 1 synthetic
motor oil and Mobil 1 oil filters. Use what works best for you and to each his own.

...to that last sentence....and as far as who recommends what..I remember a Ford crown Vic Police interceptor package we got one time I went to fuel it up and on the inside of the gas compartment door there was a nice little sticker that read..."Ford motor Co. recommends the use of BP (British Petroleum) products in their vehicles"..... Really?? I wonder how much BP paid to get those stickers put on there...I almost switched my personal vehicle to BP products....NOT...on a side note..anyone else ever see a sticker like that on a Ford?? I don't know if the dealership did it or what

[PAUL SS]

I just did my first oil change with Amsoil 5w30 and a Wix filter. Amsoil is now dexos1 certified, its on the label and it even says it replaces the GM oil referenced in the owners manual. Amsoil is a pure synthetic oil, the best you can buy.

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by Blueovalman

What they will probably not tell you on that site is that Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil is a high quality motor oil to use

On the contrary, lots of folks their love Mobil 1 as you do, and it is one of the sites sponsors. Proof is proof, however, and while Mobil 1 is an outstanding oil, other oil products (specifically Pennzoil Platinum) show better results in both wear and oil life. Facts are facts.

Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil is endorsed and highly recommended to use by GM engineering

Yes, it is, but that is all a money game. If another company paid them more money, then GM would endorse and highly recommend that brand, too.

As you said, you use what you like.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by whitetiger777

Alright I did a search and got to many hits. It's time for my first oil change and my question is in brands. In my previous cars I ran Eneos and Mobile 1. I've heard of Royal Purple. Obviously these were Jap cars, but what is the best oil for this car?

you have a 2010 v-6!..you can use "dino" 5w 30 w oil as outlined in your owner's manual! that car will run fine,just make sure you change it at 5,000 miles or fewer!..no problems!..you DON'T need mobile 1,or DEXOS...don't believe that "crap" that everyone states you HAVE to use mobile 1,or dexos!
its a bunch of horse s**t!..nothin' wrong with conventional oil for your v-6 in 2010!..ask yourself this question!..before the advent of "synthetic,Or "blended"
(dexos) what did cars use for lubricating engine oil?..hint:.they drill for it,and it is found in the ground,and in the ocean!..you are correct!..(conventional oil!)
good job!..been used for over 100 years,and get this!..even "louie chevrolet"
used it in 1911!..not to be concerned!..if you change the "conventional oil" regularly at 5,000 miles or earlier,YOUR engine will LAST just as long as an engine that uses "synthetic,or (blended) dexos oil!..
of course,if you want to "spend" more "money" to change your oil to synthetic,or dexos,then by all means,do so!..its "suuup" to you!..just sayin!