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2SSONLY · 03-11-2009, 12:28 AM

Ya I just found that out. Another piece of misinformation or should I say WRONG information my dealer gave me. Don't know if I can change my order now. *#&$% Should have found this website earlier.

stovt001 · 03-11-2009, 12:46 AM

I'm surprised no one mentioned it earlier in this thread. Yup, never underestimate the amount of misinformation your dealer can feed you. Glad we could help!

boxmonkeyracing · 03-11-2009, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2SSONLY

b'sides, you can't beat those Gs. Awesome! What a launch. Can you say head restraint?

Several G's for 5 second or less or continueous g's for hours? Lol.

1320junkie · 03-11-2009, 10:06 AM

ACCELERATION PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE

* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic-inch Hemi engine
makes more horsepower (8,000 HP) than the first 4 rows of cars at the Daytona 500.

* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes
11.2 gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747
consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce
enough power to merely drive the dragster's supercharger.

* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the
supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a
near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic
lock at full throttle.

* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for
nitro methane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

* Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular
white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen,
dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust
gases.

* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed
during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus
the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be
shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

* If spark momentarily fails early in the run,
unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with
sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split
the block in half.

* Dragsters reach over 300 MPH before you have
completed reading this sentence.

* In order to exceed 300 MPH in 4.5 seconds,
dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4 G's. In order to reach 200 MPH
well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8
G's.

* Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540
revolutions from ! light to light!

* Including the burnout, the engine must only
survive 900 revolutions under load.

* The redline is actually quite high at 9500 RPM.

* THE BOTTOM LINE: Assuming all the equipment is
paid off, the crew worked for free, & for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each
run costs an estimated $1,000 per second.

0 to 100 MPH in .8 seconds (the first 60 feet of the run)
0 to 200 MPH in 2.2 seconds (the first 350 feet of the run)
6 g-forces at the starting line (nothing accelerates faster on land)
6 negative g-forces upon deployment of twin ‘chutes at 300 MPH
An NHRA Top Fuel Dragster accelerates quicker than any other land vehicle on earth quicker than a jet fighter plane . . . quicker than the space shuttle.

The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is
4.420 seconds for the quarter-mile (2004, Doug Kalitta). The
top speed record is 337.58 MPH as measured over the last 66'
of the run (2005, Tony Schumacher).

Putting this all into perspective:

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter
twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel
dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you
pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette
hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the
dragster at an honest 200 MPH. The 'tree' goes green for both of
you at that moment.

The dragster launches & starts after you. You keep
your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears
your eardrums & within 3 seconds the dragster catches & passes you.
He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just
passed him. Think about it - from a standing start, the dragster had
spotted you 200 MPH & not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road
when he passed you within a mere 1320 (1000ft now due to safety reason) foot long race!

That's acceleration !

boxmonkeyracing · 03-11-2009, 11:28 AM

Must seem to think I know nothing about the 1320. Lol. Go to my myspace page and fquick page to see what happened to my camaro.

It takes talent a lot of it. To get a perfect light and the perfect 60 ft and hit every shift at the perfect time...takes a lot of talent. That's how a car can do amazing times there. I respect those guys a lot. And everytime I'm at the track in fayetteville I try to study others launches. So if I ever get a car back on the road I can take it to the track and get great times.

top fuel is a lot of prep for little show IMO. Been to the races and the pace was slow. although when they made a pass it was a great show of power. My fav form of drag races is the street nights. You never know what your going to get. Some 4 cyc honda beating a viper, then talking crap to someone else and losing to a relatively stock camaro.

If you ask any road racer that's had xp with drags they'll all say the same thing. It just doesn't excite them as much as road racing. Most don't have a problem with drag racing it's just not AS fun for them. And you'll never convience them other wise.

1320junkie · 03-11-2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Must seem to think I know nothing about the 1320. Lol. Go to my myspace page and fquick page to see what happened to my camaro.

It takes talent a lot of it. To get a perfect light and the perfect 60 ft and hit every shift at the perfect time...takes a lot of talent. That's how a car can do amazing times there. I respect those guys a lot. And everytime I'm at the track in fayetteville I try to study others launches. So if I ever get a car back on the road I can take it to the track and get great times.

top fuel is a lot of prep for little show IMO. Been to the races and the pace was slow. although when they made a pass it was a great show of power. My fav form of drag races is the street nights. You never know what your going to get. Some 4 cyc honda beating a viper, then talking crap to someone else and losing to a relatively stock camaro.

If you ask any road racer that's had xp with drags they'll all say the same thing. It just doesn't excite them as much as road racing. Most don't have a problem with drag racing it's just not AS fun for them. And you'll never convience them other wise.

Wasnt saying you werent knowledgeable, but then I don't know if that comment was directed towards me.

But..I have done HPDE's and raced in road racing events in the Z06. Also I race WERA (road track) SS class on my R1. But nothing gets my blood pumping like racing the 1320

maybe it's just me.

boxmonkeyracing · 03-11-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Wasnt saying you werent knowledgeable, but then I don't know if that comment was directed towards me.

But..I have done HPDE's and raced in road racing events in the Z06. Also I race WERA (road track) SS class on my R1. But nothing gets my blood pumping like racing the 1320

maybe it's just me.

Well if there are people that cross from drag to road then there has to be people that go the other way. Lol.

*CamaroSpike23* · 03-12-2009, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

What's the good in all that power if you can't turn around? And what even more reasoning everyone of those engines has to be torn down and rebuilt after every pass. Fun to work ratio doesn't add up.

i dont completely agree. building an 8000hp motor and getting paid for it would be fun enough for me...lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

Um, the 2SS does offer an automatic...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2SSONLY

Ya I just found that out. Another piece of misinformation or should I say WRONG information my dealer gave me. Don't know if I can change my order now. *#&$% Should have found this website earlier.

your dealer is an idiot

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Well if there are people that cross from drag to road then there has to be people that go the other way. Lol.

there's something about going as fast as you possibly can as hard as you can. but theres also something about going as fast as the track will allow you.

but, being able to say that you've done 150+mph in the 1/4 sounds a lot better than 2:53 at such and such track.

but that might just be me

r.i.p.01slpss · 03-12-2009, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Running in a straight line is for wusses

... hanging the tail out in the corners takes a real driver with a real car!

Then you haven't been in the right car!

Angrybird 12 · 03-13-2009, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r.i.p.01slpss

Then you haven't been in the right car!

And you haven't been on the right roads in the right car ....

lets see 1/4 mile straight line. Wait for a little green light then hit the gas, and shift gears a couple times

then slow down ......or 318 curves in 11 miles. Accelerating, shifting, turning, braking, accelerating, shifting, turning, braking, accelerating etc etc ..(the Tail Of The Dragon, Hwy 129) (not racing but having fun driving)
Give me the curves anyday...

*CamaroSpike23* · 03-13-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

And you haven't been on the right roads in the right car ....

lets see 1/4 mile straight line. Wait for a little green light then hit the gas, and shift gears a couple times

then slow down ......or 318 curves in 11 miles. Accelerating, shifting, turning, braking, accelerating, shifting, turning, braking, accelerating etc etc ..(the Tail Of The Dragon, Hwy 129) (not racing but having fun driving)
Give me the curves anyday...

give me both..... my 94Z is my 1/4 mile car. the 95Z was my road racer..... till it got rear ended by a mustang trying to do a ricer flyby.

Kelster · 03-21-2009, 06:49 PM

I thought this was a thread for the road racers

*CamaroSpike23* · 03-21-2009, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelster

I thought this was a thread for the road racers

what about those who enjoy both? lol

Angrybird 12 · 03-21-2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

what about those who enjoy both? lol

there is a similar thread for drag racers...

03-11-2009, 12:46 AM	#30
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	I'm surprised no one mentioned it earlier in this thread. Yup, never underestimate the amount of misinformation your dealer can feed you. Glad we could help! __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-11-2009, 10:06 AM	#32
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	Top Fuel NHRA Style Fact's (and a few reasons why I love it) ACCELERATION PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE * One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic-inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower (8,000 HP) than the first 4 rows of cars at the Daytona 500. * Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 11.2 gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced. * A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to merely drive the dragster's supercharger. * With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle. * At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F. * Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. * Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder. * Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow. * If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half. * Dragsters reach over 300 MPH before you have completed reading this sentence. * In order to exceed 300 MPH in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4 G's. In order to reach 200 MPH well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8 G's. * Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from ! light to light! * Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load. * The redline is actually quite high at 9500 RPM. * THE BOTTOM LINE: Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, & for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated $1,000 per second. 0 to 100 MPH in .8 seconds (the first 60 feet of the run) 0 to 200 MPH in 2.2 seconds (the first 350 feet of the run) 6 g-forces at the starting line (nothing accelerates faster on land) 6 negative g-forces upon deployment of twin ‘chutes at 300 MPH An NHRA Top Fuel Dragster accelerates quicker than any other land vehicle on earth quicker than a jet fighter plane . . . quicker than the space shuttle. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.420 seconds for the quarter-mile (2004, Doug Kalitta). The top speed record is 337.58 MPH as measured over the last 66' of the run (2005, Tony Schumacher). Putting this all into perspective: You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the dragster at an honest 200 MPH. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches & starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums & within 3 seconds the dragster catches & passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it - from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 MPH & not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 (1000ft now due to safety reason) foot long race! That's acceleration !

03-21-2009, 06:49 PM	#40
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03-11-2009, 12:28 AM	#29
2SSONLY Drives: FAST! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Last Frontier Posts: 480 View My Garage	Ya I just found that out. Another piece of misinformation or should I say WRONG information my dealer gave me. Don't know if I can change my order now. *#&$% Should have found this website earlier.