Evo vs. SS

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by matt55

Haha if you think thats bad body roll you should have seen the 07-08 Mustang's , 80's and 90's F bodys , M5 , M3 and mini Cooper's (one was 3 wheeling at this piont) , only car that looked flatter than mine was a 2009 Caymen S .

About 50 mph(best i car rember) , in a salom .

I don't doubt it. Not bad.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by rray200

I took the Evo X out for a spin last spring when they came out for the very first time. Its an unbelievably fast, incredible handling car. Pulls a 0.99 lateral G on the skidpad, and when you drive it, you can see why. You can point to any hairpin turn and just point the wheel, mash the throttle, and it will take it perfectly. Just absolutely insane. The turbo boost hits you hard as soon as you step on the gas with zero turbo lag. Unbelievable torque for a 4 cylinder car. Out of all the rice rockets I've driven, its hands down the fastest. The only Japanese car out there that's faster is the Nissan GTR. No other stock Japanese car can beat it except the GTR. With the long wait involved for the 5th gen, I strongly considered getting the EVO. But I cannot bail out now on the Camaro. They are two different types of cars. Both are very fast. But the Camaro has a style and presence that the Evo can never match.

I didn't know 13.8 @ 99MPH "unbelieveably fast". Last I checked, 13.8 @ 99MPH in a damn near $40,000 was a bad joke.

Zero turbo lag?? What car were you driving again?? Evos and STI's have terrible turbo lag, the car doesn't even start to pull until around 3500RPM. Below that, they are just as gutless as any other 2.0L low compression 4 cylinder.

I think you need to go for a ride in a real car if you think that a 99MPH trap speed is "insanely fast". No offense, but you must be used to driving a Honda Civic or something. New Camaro's are trapping 111MPH. Thats 12MPH faster than the Evo X...which is many, many buslenghts in a race, its really not even a comparison.

As for all these people talking of modding Evos and running 10's like its nothing, you need to stop buying into the hype and understand the reality. Evo kids think that just because they can run 30PSI with boost controller and break into the 12's that the car is some kind of god. Well I've got bad news, you're motor isn't going to be running for long making that kind of power.

We had an Exo IX in the shop last year. It was owned by a kid who was running 30PSI, a "hybrid" turbo, bolt ons, full exhaust, boost controller, and meth injection. Let me tell you what happens when you run 30PSI and meth injection - you get blow by. That means you get both fuel and methanol forced past the piston rings due to the ridiculously high combustion pressures. Evo piston rings are no better than the ones in your Mom's minivan, they can't take the abuse any better than any other motor can. The result is the oil gets contaminated with gas and meth. When I opened his oil cap, all I could smell was gas and meth. I explained to him why that was bad, he thought it was funny. Not long after, I was told that the car developed a rod knock in the #3 cylinder. I could have told him that was coming.

And thats just the beginning of the Evo problems. You're paying $35-40K for what amounts to a suped-up Mitsubishi Lancer economy sedan, which should make you question how much you value your money to waste it on a Lancer. They also have tons of transmission/transfer case problems, which is everything from synchro issues to the cases exploding. The motors are known for coming apart too, especially in terms of head bolt stretch, rod bolt and cap distortion, and piston damage. Go on Evolutionm.net, they have an entire sticky thread entitled "MY Various Blown Engines" which entails all the members who have blown motors, some in bone stock form. And if you bring your Evo to the track, the warranty is null and void. Its happened to many an Evo owner, ask around. There are some shitty companies you can buy a car from, Mitsubishi is one of the companies that takes top honors in that category.

[matt55]

Any "kid" can f up any car , Knocking (bad tune) kills in F.I. more so than High psi does .
But yeah , running 10's aint easy fo sho .

Evo's "It's a $15000 car with a $15000 drivetrain."

[Flynbyu]

Not a real fair comparison since the Evo is a four door sedan and the Camaro is a sport coupe. I would say it would boil down to how you would use the car, and how many you have in your family. The Camaro won't be practical for four people.

Technology is incredible with the Evo, and the car performs well. It's no slouch that's for sure. The AWD system is ideal for track situations, but it is what it is...a four door sedan with some serious kick.

I would definitely stick with American Muscle. There's no replacement for displacement!

The Camaro is just awesome. It will get 27 mpg at cruise on the highway (Suck it Toyota owners), and it's styling is second to none. Besides, drop $8-10K in your Camaro and you're pushing 600+ hp. If you're wanting a hot rod, the Camaro would be your choice. If you're wanting something that you could drive on road courses that sounds like a screamin' pissed off mosquito, and haul a few people a couple of hundred miles without getting cramped, the Evo is your car.

Good luck with your decision,

~Brian

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by matt55

Haha if you think thats bad body roll you should have seen the 07-08 Mustang's , 80's and 90's F bodys , M5 , M3 and mini Cooper's (one was 3 wheeling at this piont) , only car that looked flatter than mine was a 2009 Caymen S . Evo's are praticality stiff as a board ..

About 50 mph(best i car rember) , in a salom .

ANDDDDDDDDDDD that would be why the Cayman S is the best Sports Car you can buy.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Wesman

I didn't know 13.8 @ 99MPH "unbelieveably fast". Last I checked, 13.8 @ 99MPH in a damn near $40,000 was a bad joke.

Zero turbo lag?? What car were you driving again?? Evos and STI's have terrible turbo lag, the car doesn't even start to pull until around 3500RPM. Below that, they are just as gutless as any other 2.0L low compression 4 cylinder.

I think you need to go for a ride in a real car if you think that a 99MPH trap speed is "insanely fast". No offense, but you must be used to driving a Honda Civic or something. New Camaro's are trapping 111MPH. Thats 12MPH faster than the Evo X...which is many, many buslenghts in a race, its really not even a comparison.

As for all these people talking of modding Evos and running 10's like its nothing, you need to stop buying into the hype and understand the reality. Evo kids think that just because they can run 30PSI with boost controller and break into the 12's that the car is some kind of god. Well I've got bad news, you're motor isn't going to be running for long making that kind of power.

We had an Exo IX in the shop last year. It was owned by a kid who was running 30PSI, a "hybrid" turbo, bolt ons, full exhaust, boost controller, and meth injection. Let me tell you what happens when you run 30PSI and meth injection - you get blow by. That means you get both fuel and methanol forced past the piston rings due to the ridiculously high combustion pressures. Evo piston rings are no better than the ones in your Mom's minivan, they can't take the abuse any better than any other motor can. The result is the oil gets contaminated with gas and meth. When I opened his oil cap, all I could smell was gas and meth. I explained to him why that was bad, he thought it was funny. Not long after, I was told that the car developed a rod knock in the #3 cylinder. I could have told him that was coming.

And thats just the beginning of the Evo problems. You're paying $35-40K for what amounts to a suped-up Mitsubishi Lancer economy sedan, which should make you question how much you value your money to waste it on a Lancer. They also have tons of transmission/transfer case problems, which is everything from synchro issues to the cases exploding. The motors are known for coming apart too, especially in terms of head bolt stretch, rod bolt and cap distortion, and piston damage. Go on Evolutionm.net, they have an entire sticky thread entitled "MY Various Blown Engines" which entails all the members who have blown motors, some in bone stock form. And if you bring your Evo to the track, the warranty is null and void. Its happened to many an Evo owner, ask around. There are some shitty companies you can buy a car from, Mitsubishi is one of the companies that takes top honors in that category.

God this kid is like a bad nightmare.


Just ANOTHER post filled with unsupported facts and bias.










Oh btw... The Evo's, like most non-American Cars, don't live or die with the 1/4 mile. They are AMAZING track and daily driving cars... I really cant imagine some Engineer in Japan talking about how the 13.8 1/4 mile time is going to bite into their 'budwiser' demographic.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Oh btw... The Evo's, like most non-American Cars, don't live or die with the 1/4 mile.

Though I have nothing against the Evo, I would like to point out that while what you say is technically true, most every Evo I have seen is a dedicated 1320 only car.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Though I have nothing against the Evo, I would like to point out that while what you say is technically true, most every Evo I have seen is a dedicated 1320 only car.

There is a big difference between what the car is USED for in the States, and What it was BUILT for.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

There is a big difference between what the car is USED for in the States, and What it was BUILT for.

What I'm saying is that he does have a point since the post was directed toward the cars overall usage. Granted there were other things I don't agree with, but thats a different issue.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

What I'm saying is that he does have a point since the post was directed toward the cars overall usage. Granted there were other things I don't agree with, but thats a different issue.

My post was more towards the point of reminding him that the Car wasnt built for that purpose. I will conceed that the majority of people using it end up using it for drag, but only because it is more expensive and rare to find and use a good road track.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

I will conceed that the majority of people using it end up using it for drag, but only because it is more expensive and rare to find and use a good road track.

Agreed.

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

God this kid is like a bad nightmare.


Just ANOTHER post filled with unsupported facts and bias.










Oh btw... The Evo's, like most non-American Cars, don't live or die with the 1/4 mile. They are AMAZING track and daily driving cars... I really cant imagine some Engineer in Japan talking about how the 13.8 1/4 mile time is going to bite into their 'budwiser' demographic.

he may have a point a few years ago raceway park was filled with them, not so much any more!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Oh btw... The Evo's, like most non-American Cars, don't live or die with the 1/4 mile. They are AMAZING track and daily driving cars... I really cant imagine some Engineer in Japan talking about how the 13.8 1/4 mile time is going to bite into their 'budwiser' demographic.

I don't have first hand experience in the matter, but from what I've heard they're not that livable. The suspension is too stiff, the racing seats are uncomfortable, and they consume a lot of gas considering their power output.

[rray200]

[QUOTE=Wesman;456508]I didn't know 13.8 @ 99MPH "unbelieveably fast". Last I checked, 13.8 @ 99MPH in a damn near $40,000 was a bad joke.

With the technology behind the Evo X (Advanced All Wheel Drive and Yaw control, etc.), its worth every penny. Take one out for a test drive and see. Every publication comes up with different times for this car, much like the Camaro SS. Some people have the Camaro at 13.0 quarter mile times, others have it at 13.5. Some have seen 0-60 times of 4.7 on the Camaro, some have 5.0 seconds. Regardless, its a drivers race with cars in the 4.7 to 5.0 second range. Some mags have the Evo X running off a 13.5 second quarter mile. Its all in the feel of the car. The Evo, compared to other rice rockets is a beast.

Zero turbo lag?? What car were you driving again?? Evos and STI's have terrible turbo lag, the car doesn't even start to pull until around 3500RPM. Below that, they are just as gutless as any other 2.0L low compression 4 cylinder.

Gutless? I think most people on this board who have encountered Evo's on the street or on the strip would beg to differ with you.

I think you need to go for a ride in a real car if you think that a 99MPH trap speed is "insanely fast". No offense, but you must be used to driving a Honda Civic or something.

Well, I drive an RSX Type S, so there you go, there's your answer. Everything feels fast to me I actually took out a 4th gen WS6 T/A out for a spin one time 4 years ago and it made my RSX feel like a lawnmower. So did the EVO X.



New Camaro's are trapping 111MPH. Thats 12MPH faster than the Evo X...which is many, many buslenghts in a race, its really not even a comparison.

In stock form, with the weight advantage of the Evo, its a driver's race off the line. The times are too close.