Camaro Z/28 Flying Car Logic mode

[Todd in Vancouver]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

guys, let's keep things in perspective. Z 28 was faster than the zl1 on a wet track. On a dry track, the Z28 is going to be much faster.

Could the ZL1 Benefit from this mode, most likely. don't get me wrong, I am actually considering purchasing a zl1, but the car is heavier than the z28.

It could be the z28 is leaving the ground more is due to the fact it is 400 lbs lighter than the ZL1. so maybe the ZL1 doesn't go airborne as much as the Z28.

In reality if there were some programming that could make my ZL faster it doesn't matter because I am no where near a good enough driver to realize the benefits. Just a comment in general about these kind of comparisons though. The data is very skewed when the conditions are so different. The tires were different and while the Z28 may have run slower on a wet day I can tell you for sure that I know my ZL makes more power on a cool damp day while the SC is sucking in that nice cool damp air. Would it be faster on that day? I don't know if there is enough difference in HP to overcome the difference in traction. For that matter we haven't seen the Z/28 rerun that course and on a hot dry day it may make less power and slow down, it's unlikely, but wouldn't that be a kicker

To get a fair comparison with any two cars they need to run back to back and in my opinion run the same variables that can effect a run, fuel, tires etc.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

In reality if there were some programming that could make my ZL faster it doesn't matter because I am no where near a good enough driver to realize the benefits. Just a comment in general about these kind of comparisons though. The data is very skewed when the conditions are so different. The tires were different and while the Z28 may have run slower on a wet day I can tell you for sure that I know my ZL makes more power on a cool damp day while the SC is sucking in that nice cool damp air. Would it be faster on that day? I don't know if there is enough difference in HP to overcome the difference in traction. For that matter we haven't seen the Z/28 rerun that course and on a hot dry day it may make less power and slow down, it's unlikely, but wouldn't that be a kicker

To get a fair comparison with any two cars they need to run back to back and in my opinion run the same variables that can effect a run, fuel, tires etc.

Yep, completely agree.

[2cnd chance]

In all honesty what are the advantages the ZL1 has on a typical "track" over the Z/28 other than HP?

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

In all honesty what are the advantages the ZL1 has on a typical "track" over the Z/28 other than HP?

A/C, jammin radio tunes, comfy seats & heated if it is cold track day, .....


Seriously though, if the zl1 had less weight, the zl1 would be the car to get. that is why I am considering it. Put the zl1 on a diet, smaller wheels, lighter rotors, drive the track in comfort & drive home the same way.

It really comes down to longevity of the car due to the design. the z28 will be able to more repeatedly & reliably do lap after lap of HARD track days. the z28 is meant 2 b raced, not a daily driver.

[2cnd chance]

The point is for those continuing to say if the ZL1 only...don't get me wrong I like the ZL1. However it should be noted it's a Camaro for a different purpose (make that any purpose). Remember everything has consequences. Simply put the Z/28 is superior in every way, (we're talking tracking here) but an additional 75 HP. Yes the only thing to address in the Z/28 (if you must) is additional HP, which can be done to the LS7 without adding FI.

[Q'smuscle]

that's sweet! Great find!

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

So with this car they said, if it does not say it cant be done in the rule books its legal to do it.

Weren't we talking about this yesterday

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The point is for those continuing to say if the ZL1 only...don't get me wrong I like the ZL1. However it should be noted it's a Camaro for a different purpose (make that any purpose). Remember everything has consequences. Simply put the Z/28 is superior in every way, (we're talking tracking here) but an additional 75 HP. Yes the only thing to address in the Z/28 (if you must) is additional HP, which can be done to the LS7 without adding FI.

I agree.
As I always heard.... Ifs and buts will drive you nuts... You can argue that all you want but until someone actually does it to compare its all just talk.

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by backtotintops

I have never owned a car with active traction modes and I always thought one would be faster with it disabled. So based on this the ring run video was using traction control???

The traction control help, with off it is very hard from a dead stop to control wheel speed

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Yep, completely agree.

Cool dry air is even better.

[Skylane765]

The Z28 looks like it does not come with the break ducts only provisions for them, we are looking at making the ducting kits for them.

[Todd in Vancouver]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

I agree.
As I always heard.... Ifs and buts will drive you nuts... You can argue that all you want but until someone actually does it to compare its all just talk.

I agree 100% and that's the point with vertually all the comparisons, regardless of the two cars or brands, is that a back to back comparison on equal footing is very seldom done.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...the pic looks identical to the same piece of track they took a pic of the 2012 ZL1 pre-production flying in the air, ...same stretch of track, same pic location, same camera angle....ZL1 did it before the Z/28...but the Z/28 looks like it caught more air and gained more altitude....Ladies' and Gentleman, this is your Captain, please fasten your seatbelts and turn off all electronic devices...., thanks for flying Chevy....LOL.

[doc7000]

It is really apples and oranges these two cars....

I don't understand the jealousy that some seem to have toward the Z/28 as if they want it to be slow or slower then the ZL1. These are two different vehicles produced really for two different reasons, the ZL1 is first and foremost a street car. If you are going to buy one of these cars to be your only car then the ZL1 is honestly the only vehicle that you can buy.

People get caught up with track times, even if the ZL1 Camaro could with the Z/28 tires match the Z/28s lap times (and I highly doubt this). How many consecutive lap times can the ZL1 do this for? the Z/28 is not only lighter however packs giant carbon ceramic disc brakes and being N/A will not fatigue as quickly as the ZL1 Camaro. The only thing that I can think of to reduce the Z/28s laptimes with parts bin parts is to add the new 8 speed with a rumored 120MS shift time.

It isn't good enough just to slap Z/28 tires on the ZL1, you would have to retune the suspension to take better advantage of the added grip. Then you would have to slap on the carbon ceramic disc brakes then do something to deal with heat soak for repeated runs.