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Squillo · 03-03-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Actually that is not correct. While studs or chains are best for ice they actually are worse overall with no ice on dry roads. There are winter tires made with a special compound rubber that works very well on ice. I had a set on my Tracker a couple years ago and it was no problem under any condition.

Thank you for posting this.

Rainbow1616 · 03-03-2015, 10:57 AM

For what these cars are worth there is No way they will total it.

Red2014SS · 03-03-2015, 10:59 AM

That's a great video. The P-Zeros are worthless tires in winter conditions.

maddoggyusa · 03-03-2015, 11:04 AM

do you want it totaled or not? it depends on the repairs vs value, but you can sometimes push the insurance company one way or the other if it's close.

wow, that is an awesome video posted there. I would not have thought those winter tires would allow that car to turn like that. impressive

nyrfan · 03-03-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red2014SS

That's a great video. The P-Zeros are worthless tires in winter conditions.

as are all high performance "summer" tires.

Evergreen6 · 03-03-2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Actually that is not correct. While studs or chains are best for ice they actually are worse overall with no ice on dry roads. There are winter tires made with a special compound rubber that works very well on ice. I had a set on my Tracker a couple years ago and it was no problem under any condition.

It's good info, and a great sales pitch by one of the nation's largest tire retailers. I'd rather have studs or chains for the slick stuff.

I'm not saying it's not better to have snow tires, but I haven't seen them save the day in real world conditions when you're trying to recover at 25, 30, 40 mph on a patch of unexpected ice on something other than a perfectly flat surface with no other vehicles or fixed objects around. In the OP's case I doubt they would have been the single cause of the accident by not having them.

JLSuperfly · 03-03-2015, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CapoSS

If it just so happens to be "totaled" or whatever, I was thinking of getting an SS if its feasible. Actually, I don know what I want to do. Im just happy my kids weren't in the car.

*EDIT*

Thanks, I appreciate it.

This is what matter the most.

CapoSS · 03-03-2015, 11:39 AM

I know next Winter to invest in some winter tires. But, oddly enough don't remember DC having this much snow or ice in recent years. Just my luck that I got my Camaro this past Nov.

DRKS1D3 · 03-03-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nyrfan

as are all high performance "summer" tires.

Yep. Baffling how some folks still believe "summer only" does not literally mean "SUMMER ONLY".

Angrybird 12 · 03-03-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Evergreen6

It's good info, and a great sales pitch by one of the nation's largest tire retailers. I'd rather have studs or chains for the slick stuff.

I'm not saying it's not better to have snow tires, but I haven't seen them save the day in real world conditions when you're trying to recover at 25, 30, 40 mph on a patch of unexpected ice on something other than a perfectly flat surface with no other vehicles or fixed objects around. In the OP's case I doubt they would have been the single cause of the accident by not having them.

There are plenty of independent tests also. Like I said, studded snow tires actually have worse traction on dry pavement than these winter tires. I think consumer reports did a test comparing studded snow tires and winter tires.

fradaj · 03-03-2015, 12:47 PM

When the airbags deploy in the seats how is it repaired? Does it require new seat covers?

fradaj · 03-03-2015, 12:52 PM

Pirelli also makes winter tires that fit the RS wheels on the Camaro.

NJScorpio · 03-03-2015, 12:53 PM

Aside from snow/ice, I've always thought the key difference between summer & winter tires (and why you shouldn't use either in the incorrect season) is the temperature at which the tire gets "soft" and attains grip. If your winter tire gets "sticky" in contact with 20 degree pavement, I would think it would basically melt touching 120 degree pavement in the dead of summer. Just like how summer tires will never heat up enough to attain grip when the pavement is below freezing.

ex11b90 · 03-03-2015, 01:08 PM

I don't know about summer tires but Snow tires have (obviously) a far more aggressive tread pattern and are made out of a much, much softer rubber compound, you can literally push the tread in with your finger. We have snow on our roads throughout most of the winter and I wouldn't drive my Camaro without my Goodyear Ultra Grips. As far as chains and or studs, those are illegal just about anywhere but mountainous regions. I would never use them here. One final thing, between winter formulated fuel and snow tires you're gas mileage goes to hell. Haven't checked in the Camaro cuz I don't take it on long trips but our mini-van which gets 28+mpg on highway in warm weather is lucky to get 21 in winter running on it's Blizzaks. I hear ya about buying snow tires in a place like DC, but they're probably good insurance, especially after what you've gone through. Glad to hear you'd dropped off the kids and your OK, good luck with the repairs!

03-03-2015, 10:59 AM	#31
Red2014SS Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,420	That's a great video. The P-Zeros are worthless tires in winter conditions. __________________ 2014 2SS/RS, L99, SW LTH w/HF Cats, GMPP Ex. Z/28 CAI, FR41s in PVD Black Chrome, Recaros, Pfadt Sway 377hp, 383tq 12.739@110.44 MPH

03-03-2015, 12:53 PM	#41
NJScorpio Drives: 2018 Camaro 1LT Hyper Blue Metallic Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,122	Aside from snow/ice, I've always thought the key difference between summer & winter tires (and why you shouldn't use either in the incorrect season) is the temperature at which the tire gets "soft" and attains grip. If your winter tire gets "sticky" in contact with 20 degree pavement, I would think it would basically melt touching 120 degree pavement in the dead of summer. Just like how summer tires will never heat up enough to attain grip when the pavement is below freezing. __________________ I may be 100% wrong.

03-03-2015, 10:57 AM	#30
Rainbow1616 Drives: 2011 Inferno Orange Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,372	For what these cars are worth there is No way they will total it.

03-03-2015, 11:04 AM	#32
maddoggyusa Drives: 2013 Camaro Dusk 2SS/6 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,586	do you want it totaled or not? it depends on the repairs vs value, but you can sometimes push the insurance company one way or the other if it's close. wow, that is an awesome video posted there. I would not have thought those winter tires would allow that car to turn like that. impressive

03-03-2015, 11:39 AM	#36
CapoSS Drives: 2013 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DC Posts: 61	I know next Winter to invest in some winter tires. But, oddly enough don't remember DC having this much snow or ice in recent years. Just my luck that I got my Camaro this past Nov.

03-03-2015, 12:47 PM	#39
fradaj Drives: RS Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 1,037	When the airbags deploy in the seats how is it repaired? Does it require new seat covers?

03-03-2015, 12:52 PM	#40
fradaj Drives: RS Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 1,037	Pirelli also makes winter tires that fit the RS wheels on the Camaro.

03-03-2015, 01:08 PM	#42
ex11b90 Drives: 1LT 2011 Camaro M6 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Union City, MI Posts: 140	I don't know about summer tires but Snow tires have (obviously) a far more aggressive tread pattern and are made out of a much, much softer rubber compound, you can literally push the tread in with your finger. We have snow on our roads throughout most of the winter and I wouldn't drive my Camaro without my Goodyear Ultra Grips. As far as chains and or studs, those are illegal just about anywhere but mountainous regions. I would never use them here. One final thing, between winter formulated fuel and snow tires you're gas mileage goes to hell. Haven't checked in the Camaro cuz I don't take it on long trips but our mini-van which gets 28+mpg on highway in warm weather is lucky to get 21 in winter running on it's Blizzaks. I hear ya about buying snow tires in a place like DC, but they're probably good insurance, especially after what you've gone through. Glad to hear you'd dropped off the kids and your OK, good luck with the repairs!