Pricing/Engine/Motor Predictions

[fad1]

I dont know, by the time the car comes out, the V6 will atleast start from $20,099. The mustang's base price is going up year after year and i believe that every car below $20K is gradually increasing. Also, i believe HP is going to be rated around 280 - 290.

Coming to the V8, the base V8 would be higher 20's and the Top DOG would be around $40,000.

Again, Lets keep the Faith

[ss4bpf]

i would have to check the history but i am pretty sure they had a 2.5L 4 cyl. from '82-'85 that only produced a little over 100hp...... big difference from todays 2.0TDI.....



Just remembered that Pontiac is coming out with the Solstice Coupe GXP that will have the 2.0TDI putting out 300hp.....this could be used instead of the 260 hp 2.0TDI and the 302hp 3.6DI

[JMAN311]

You might be able to get a Camaro with just as much horsepower as a Z06, but it will never be faster since the Z06 is so much lighter. And even if a top of the line Camaro did beat the base model vette it won't matter to someone that wants a vette. People buy them because it's a Corvette. And I'd bet that the 70+ more hp would barely be enough to cancel out the xtra 500lbs the car will probably have compared to the Corvette in the 1/4 mile.

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by warbird81

If you think about the price of the top dog, that will be in the territory of the corvette. i think gm will make some changes to the vett if that happens. besides if they make the price that high for an ss i would get the base z28 and sc it myself, it would cost less and have more horses.

v6 300 hp
z28 402 hp ctsv engine
ss 460 hp just like the sc cadillac sts

All i can find for the CTS is the 302hp V6 and the CTS-V gets the LSA ~550hp
Yes the LSA would put the Camaro HP/Tq #s in the Corvette range. Based on body Suspension differences it wouldn't be a performace hit for the Vette.
In addition, it wouldn't be the 1st or 3rd time a Camaro has had power #s in line with Vettes. Remember in '09 the Vette (ZR1) gets the LS9 with 638hp.

I'd figure $21k for the T4 as the 210hp Mustang is ~20
$27k for the V6 ('08 CTS with DI-V6 304hp +Lux&Perf pkg ~$41k)
$32k for the V8
$38 for the S/C V8 (GT500KR low $40ks)

also,
Can anyone find any docs on the '09 Solstice with a 300hp T4?
according to the 03/08 R&T the '09 GXP still shows a 260hp 2L T4
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6611

Other Current Known Engines:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...2008/08car.htm

[ss4bpf]

Originally Posted by Mythic

All i can find for the CTS is the 302hp V6 and the CTS-V gets the LSA ~550hp
Yes the LSA would put the Camaro HP/Tq #s in the Corvette range. Based on body Suspension differences it wouldn't be a performace hit for the Vette.
In addition, it wouldn't be the 1st or 3rd time a Camaro has had power #s in line with Vettes. Remember in '09 the Vette (ZR1) gets the LS9 with 638hp.

also,
Can anyone find any docs on the '09 Solstice with a 300hp T4?
according to the 03/08 R&T the '09 GXP still shows a 260hp 2L T4
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6611

Even though the 6.2L SC would have more power than the base vette, it would still be outmanouvered at the track.. that is why a 6.2L SC should be limited production ( a la ZL1)

For the 300hp Solstice.... look up the Pontiac press release for the Solstice Coupe GXP... you may find it on gm.com

here you go http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/03/s...ck-300-horses/

So I will now revise my speculation to ...
Base Camaro = 2.0TDI w/ 260hp
Camaro RS = 2.0TDI w/+300hp
Camaro Z/28 = 6.0 w/ 368hp
Camaro SS = 6.2 w/ 436hp
Camaro ZL1 = 6.2SC w/ 568hp (limited)

[Mythic]

I can't get to Autoblog from work.

I foung the GM press from 03/19
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayS...30&docid=45389

[ss4bpf]

Originally Posted by Mythic

I can't get to Autoblog from work.

I foung the GM press from 03/19
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayS...30&docid=45389

I am not sure if I am allowed to do this, but this is taken from Autoblog.com

"Sporting a specific output of 130 horsepower-per-liter, the turbocharged, direct-injected Ecotec four-cylinder from GM that's featured in the Pontiac Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Redline and SS versions of the Chevy HHR and Cobalt, is already one heck of an accomplishment. But wait... there's more -- power that is. According to Motor Trend, shortly after the Solstice Coupe goes on sale next year, the blown-Ecotec could make 300 horsepower or more, putting it in close competition with performance stalwarts such as Nissan's Z. What's more, the same engine should also be available in the convertible versions of both the Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Redline as well, paired only with a five-speed manual tranny in all applications.

This is just a rumor at this point, but MT seems pretty confident in its validity, citing higher intercooled boost along with a new fuel rail as the tech behind the power increase. The rumor does not mention if the higher-output mill will appear in other applications, though we remember something about the Camaro possibly getting a turbo-four mill as an option, and a tuner-friendly option offering 300 galloping horsies in stock form would make for a very interesting option in the pony car."

[Mythic]

So Autoblog is reporting on a rumor that another mag reported on?
It was said that the Camaro was to get a 300hp V6. Then Lutz announced there might Be a T4. I think they are confusing the Numbers. I haven't found an dev work on the GM site for a 300hp T4.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...upe/index.html

MT is speculating that the Ecotech could be easily tuned for more ponies. No indication that GM has any designs on this yet.

[ss4bpf]

Originally Posted by Mythic

So Autoblog is reporting on a rumor that another mag reported on?
It was said that the Camaro was to get a 300hp V6. Then Lutz announced there might Be a T4. I think they are confusing the Numbers. I haven't found an dev work on the GM site for a 300hp V6.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...upe/index.html

MT is speculating that the Ecotech could be easily tuned for more ponies. No indication that GM has any designs on this yet.

huh?? Isn't the 3.6DI used in the CTS putting out over 300hp??

[EllwynX]

I'm surprised how many believe the V6 will MSRP at $24,000 or under when loaded.

My 2002 V6 Camaro had an MSRP of near $27,0000. That was with every option except leather. So even if we assume that price was a little too high, when you account for 8 years of inflation the idea of $24,000 or less is ridiculously low.

That, or everyone elses opinion of 'loaded' is not the same as mine.

Loaded = Every available option

Nicely Equipped = A couple good options and perhaps $24,000

[ss4bpf]

I agree with you Ellwyn..... If the base Camaro has 300hp, i think the price would start at 23,999

[warbird81]

Originally Posted by Mythic

All i can find for the CTS is the 302hp V6 and the CTS-V gets the LSA ~550hp
Yes the LSA would put the Camaro HP/Tq #s in the Corvette range. Based on body Suspension differences it wouldn't be a performace hit for the Vette.
In addition, it wouldn't be the 1st or 3rd time a Camaro has had power #s in line with Vettes. Remember in '09 the Vette (ZR1) gets the LS9 with 638hp.

I'd figure $21k for the T4 as the 210hp Mustang is ~20
$27k for the V6 ('08 CTS with DI-V6 304hp +Lux&Perf pkg ~$41k)
$32k for the V8
$38 for the S/C V8 (GT500KR low $40ks)

also,
Can anyone find any docs on the '09 Solstice with a 300hp T4?
according to the 03/08 R&T the '09 GXP still shows a 260hp 2L T4
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6611

Other Current Known Engines:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...2008/08car.htm

sorry i was looking at the old stsv and ctsv hp numbers. this is a new platform gm is working with. in production set up it will not be a match for the vett. but with a few aftermarket suspension parts it may give big brother a run for his money. the maro will be awsome, but i think gm will try to keep it from competing with the vett. Or they will come out with more horses for big bro.

[warbird81]

Originally Posted by JMAN311

You might be able to get a Camaro with just as much horsepower as a Z06, but it will never be faster since the Z06 is so much lighter. And even if a top of the line Camaro did beat the base model vette it won't matter to someone that wants a vette. People buy them because it's a Corvette. And I'd bet that the 70+ more hp would barely be enough to cancel out the xtra 500lbs the car will probably have compared to the Corvette in the 1/4 mile.

true true, vett lovers are loyal to the name, but untill the final specs are out the maro may be lighter or close to the vett in weight. if i were a vett lover and saw that i could pay low 40's for a maro rather than 70's for a vett z06 i would buy the maro. that it a 30k diff in price for the same hp. aftermarket add ons will make up for the perks you get with the vett. and im sure that even with the aftermarket add on you will be well below the price of a vett. you can get suspension parts off of ebay the day after you purchase the car. if you look at the indy thread, fbodfather and the guy from cicc said the production car would be unvailed there, along with venders and accessories. either way, i hope the price is lower but in reality im saving my chips for the big dog/w 22" three piece forged wheels, and a lowering kit.

[ss4bpf]

Originally Posted by warbird81

true true, vett lovers are loyal to the name, but untill the final specs are out the maro may be lighter or close to the vett in weight. if i were a vett lover and saw that i could pay low 40's for a maro rather than 70's for a vett z06 i would buy the maro. that it a 30k diff in price for the same hp. aftermarket add ons will make up for the perks you get with the vett. and im sure that even with the aftermarket add on you will be well below the price of a vett. you can get suspension parts off of ebay the day after you purchase the car. if you look at the indy thread, fbodfather and the guy from cicc said the production car would be unvailed there, along with venders and accessories. either way, i hope the price is lower but in reality im saving my chips for the big dog/w 22" three piece forged wheels, and a lowering kit.

As cool as that would be, there are key factors that the corvette has that the Camaro will not...... 1.) low curb weight- the old camaro weighed in at 3,400lbs.; this new Camaro will at least be 3,800lbs, considering all the new air-bags, wiringg, and sound deadening material they will add that they previous Camaro did not have..... 2.) low center of gravity- whatever we will try to do to our Camaro, we will still be top heavy compared to the vette..... 3.) 50/50 weight ratio- unless they add a transaxle to the Camaro (very unlikely but maybe the ZL1 w/6.2SC)