6th Gen ZL1...my thoughts

[forklord]

factory boost controlled twin turbo LSA type block with beefed manual trans, beefed diff /w cooler.....one can dream...

[mmarx82]

Plan to keep my car and later on when my school loans are gone I'll probably give this one to the wife and get me a new whatever they call the model at the time (ZL1/Z28).

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by Expunge

My 2 cents..

The 1LE will continue. You did not see Recaro's or track pack mentioned with the SS.

Actually, there was mention in the playbook about SS with mag ride having a "track" mode. Not sure what to take away from that, but "track" mode was only with SS equipped with mag ride. So there may be a hint that 1LE may be blended in? Who knows.

[Chrispy]

If they want a ZL1 out in two years there are mules together now I'm sure. Couple of thoughts:
- new A8 trans is bulletproof
- they'll likely upgrade the diff
- they'll likely go bigger on the blower (not space restricted)
- there'll likely be carbon fiber used on specific body panels

I think the new ZL1 will be a monster but I still love mine.

[Whos_Drivin]

LT4 with a bigger blower and 700+ hp will have me sold. I may need a bigger garage though...or my wife will need to park outside...

[Leviser]

I like the tech and looks of the 6th gen but I am curious to see a z28 or zl1 model before I would jump on a gen6. The ats-v has a track vid recorder similar to new vettes so I am thinking they still are in the works for a more track focused car due to me not seeing this listed as an option. I would hope a zl1 (supercharge lt1, some carbon fiber parts and more track tech). Then a z28 (ls-x, less options to reduce weight and with lots of carbon fiber parts).

I am hoping to soon see vids from Nurburgring of GM testing ZL1 and Z28 mules.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by Chrispy

If they want a ZL1 out in two years there are mules together now I'm sure. Couple of thoughts:
- new A8 trans is bulletproof....YEP
- they'll likely upgrade the diff....YEP
- they'll likely go bigger on the blower (not space restricted)...NEVER HAPPEN
- there'll likely be carbon fiber used on specific body panels ..YUP

I think the new ZL1 will be a monster but I still love mine.

"Protect the Vette" Even though they will have the room for a bigger blower they wont do it. Car will get the blower of the moment with 5 less HP then the Vette. Chevy will go with the excuse, "oh we don't want to certify a new engine with the expense, meanwhile these cars are free money for them next to SUV's.
-Bobby

[BigBlock427]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

"Protect the Vette" Even though they will have the room for a bigger blower they wont do it. Car will get the blower of the moment with 5 less HP then the Vette. Chevy will go with the excuse, "oh we don't want to certify a new engine with the expense, meanwhile these cars are free money for them next to SUV's.
-Bobby

So dumb... not your comment the whole "protect the Vette" stuff... Don't get me wrong, I love Corvettes and I would like to own one in the future. However, I think if you want a Vette you will get a Vette. If you want a Camaro you will get a Camaro simple as that. Do the best for each platform dont water one down just because.

for example... Hellcat and the viper...

[Unreal]

Protect the vette doesn't exist.

They will use the same blower because the R&D is done, and the more they buy the better deal they get. Buying and qualifying a different blower for such a low number application, when the 1.7L will hit 650hp easy, is silly. Unless they swap the vette blower to a bigger one, they are just going to keep the same blower across the line.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Protect the vette doesn't exist.

They will use the same blower because the R&D is done, and the more they buy the better deal they get. Buying and qualifying a different blower for such a low number application, when the 1.7L will hit 650hp easy, is silly. Unless they swap the vette blower to a bigger one, they are just going to keep the same blower across the line.

I wish you were right but you're not. Protect the Vette DOES indeed exist when it comes to horsepower ratings. At least it always has in the past.

I do not believe you will EVER see a Camaro with more HP than the top dog Corvette of a given generation. And even though the ZL1 had 580 when the 455 HP C7 came out, everyone knew a bigger dog was coming; we just did not know what it would be called.

I do agree that the blower would remain the same IF Chevy uses the LT4. But we have no promise that the LT4 would be used although it makes perfect sense.

But if GM does use the LT4 in the next mega-Camaro, it will not be more than or even equal to the C7 Z06. It may be within a few HP but it will not be over.

I hope I'm wrong but past GM history indicates that they will NOT rate any platform higher in HP than the highest HP Corvette.

I completely agree that this policy is stupid and that people who want to buy a Vette will buy a Vette and those who want a Camaro will buy the Camaro.

But GM has not subscribed to that philosophy in decades, if ever at all.

[ZL1-V]

You agreed that it doesn't exist when you stated that the ZL1 had more HP than the Corvette!

"I do not believe you will EVER see a Camaro with more HP than the top dog Corvette of a given generation. And even though the ZL1 had 580 when the 455 HP C7 came out, everyone knew a bigger dog was coming; we just did not know what it would be called.

If I am reading that correctly, the ZL1 had more HP than the current Corvette at that time?

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by ZL1-V

You agreed that it doesn't exist when you stated that the ZL1 had more HP than the Corvette!

"I do not believe you will EVER see a Camaro with more HP than the top dog Corvette of a given generation. And even though the ZL1 had 580 when the 455 HP C7 came out, everyone knew a bigger dog was coming; we just did not know what it would be called.

If I am reading that correctly, the ZL1 had more HP than the current Corvette at that time?

Come on - did you read the 'And even though..' part? Yes, for a short time the ZL1 had more HP than the C7. But GM already had a bigger HP C7 in the wings (that is the rest of my statement). The C7Z was already on the streets in mule form.

The other qualifier is the 'of a given generation'. The C7 base is not and was never intended to be the top dog of the C7 line nor the only C7 variant produced. So yes, GM would not kill the ZL1 for essentially a model year - the Z06 was not that far out.

So I never 'agreed that it doesn't exist' (and I'm not sure what you mean by that - that 'Protect the Vette does not exist? Oh, it does my friend. It definitely does.). I said that yes, while FOR A SHORT TIME THE ZL1 HAD MORE HP THAN A BASE CORVETTE, but that it was only temporary.

You have to look at the entire generation to understand and we have only seen 2 C7 models, the base and the Z06. Will there be more? Possibly. But when the smoke clears I'm betting that, based on GM's previous history, there will NOT be a Camaro with more HP than the final high-HP C7 variant.

You may see a 650+ HP from a Camaro but only IF there is a higher HP C7 coming. And even then, that 'lead' would only be temporary.

Honestly - I hope I am wrong. But GM's past is a perfect indicator of its future plans.

Protect the Vette does exist but it should not.

[Sven59]

I think Al had mentioned once that the gloves were off between the Camaros and Corvettes and may the best team win.

[BigBlock69RS]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Protect the vette doesn't exist. .

Oh really?

Please name one engine, trans, or suspension component or other major improvement that the camaro got before the vette?

Please name a motor that had equal or more hp than the vette had? Camaro Zl1 was still out matched by the highest end vette zr1... And the c7 z06...

Vette is the Chevy flagship and Camaro will never get anything to exceed it period. Any improvements will debut in the vette camaro second.