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[Chevelle vs Camaro]

Originally Posted by Aqua Blue RS/SS

Yeah because the more complicated LT1’s and 8 speeds are the best ever… I’ll take the LS based engines over direct injection any day. Then there’s the 8 speed (obviously not all 6th gens have them) I don’t even need to elaborate here… point is newer is certainly not always better. If you can’t see the retro, timeless style of the 5th gen you need glasses, or a telescope… I find my early ‘10 2SS to be plenty creature friendly. I don’t need or want all the extra BS, it’s just that much more to go wrong.

To the op. I plan to have at least one 5th gen (my current ABM) until I die. And I’m only in my 30’s so that should be a long time. I’m planning to add another in the next year or two. Like cracka said, blink your eyes and the 6th gen parts are going to be equally as hard to find and with all the extra tech they have it’ll be that much more of a pain in the ass to keep them going. And don’t even get me started about the ugly ass refreshed front end. The 16-18’s look better but no where near what the 5ths do. At no point since their inception has the 6th outsold the lowest sales numbers of the 5th gen. There’s a lot to be said about that.

Nah no glasses needed. Just like a companion beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have no problem with all the hate from the 5 th Gen’RS when they hate on the 6th gens.

The just don’t appreciate the style just like I don’t. Coulda got a low mileage ZL1 or z28 5th Gen but just not for me.

Just cuz my opinion doesn’t align with yours. You say timeless…. I say dated…. Your not a fan of direct injection… I think it’s like comparing throttle body injection to MPFI…

The 350/454 guys said the same thing about LS’s on the chevelle site. More modern usually means manufacturing is changing for the better. Are there hiccups absolutely but the LT1 and direct port are definitely a step forward.

Your views are your opinion…. But just remember the OP asked for your opinion…. I didn’t. Glad you bought the car you like.

And lastly from what I know A8 issues are fix but I wouldn’t know I bought an M6

if I was one of those elitist dork who thinks my types of cars are best I would clown all automatic Camaro’s cuz real men bang gears.

But in reality buy what makes you happy if you want an auto, manual, 5th or 6th Gen do what makes you happy and stop trying to say what’s best because everyone’s opinion will differ.

Lastly just cuz I prefer the 5th gen doesn’t mean I don’t recognize classic styling…. Just my preferences differs








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[Chevelle vs Camaro]

Originally Posted by 1JEWLDSSRS

My interior isn't dated, it's new and modern and comfy!! Love it. Just like your home inside, you have to make it "your own", not factory!! And yes, the interior looked a lot like the 1969 Camaro I did have back in the day, one of the reasons I bought it! Along with the body lines and style.

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Looks good. Agreed mine came like this but I liked it because it was not factory. Your interior looks good


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[1JEWLDSSRS]

Originally Posted by Chevelle vs Camaro

Looks good. Agreed mine came like this but I liked it because it was not factory. Your interior looks good


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Thanks sir. Yours looks really nice too. Factory is just boring, ya gotta add to it and make it yours! When I bought my Camaro, it was a 1SS with cloth interior! I didn't get leather because I knew I was going to customize it down the road, never dreamed I would have gone this far with it!

[Danial]

Originally Posted by Aqua Blue RS/SS

At no point since their inception has the 6th outsold the lowest sales numbers of the 5th gen. There’s a lot to be said about that.

True dat! That was the entire reason for the 2015 Commemorative Edition send off before the Gen 6 arrived. Camaro was the top selling "American" muscle car for 5 years in a row. A feat they haven't been able to duplicate for even one year since, which is unfortunate.

[ajg85]

Firm believer that you can make any car fit your personal preference and style for both appearance and performance. My preferences tend to stay almost entirely under the hood so lights and grills aside I was wildly impressed with the engineering and performance of direct injection on my 5th gen. Thus the C7 hand-me-down on the 6th gen is pretty sexy to me.

[Chevelle vs Camaro]

Well since 2015 the mustang has declined in sales every year as welp. No redesign…..the market was dying.

also probably why 5th gen out sold 6th gen… market dying.

Also with release of 6th Gen ford mustang pretty much dominated the market and a redesigned challenger had to do more with Chevy’s market share loss

The S550 mustang was highly successful and out sold the 5th gens as well in 2015.

Dodge updated the Challenger exterior and interior wise thus more people choosing the competitor’s

Most pony car drivers are not brand faithful compared to the few diehards on their respective forums.

[Aqua Blue RS/SS]

Nice Chevelle!

Dodge has been selling challengers because they market the hell out of them and go out of their way to give them bad ass HP options which they again market the hell out of.. It has little to do with a redesign in my opinion.. They took a 13-15 year old platform and outsold the significantly newer Camaro and mustang platforms on HP marketing alone. That and anyone with a 450 credit score can get into one. The mustang and hasn’t dropped on its ass at anywhere near the rate the 6th gen has. 72,000ish units in 2016 to 20,000ish in 2022… GM is absolutely to blame in a lot of regards here though as they have not made but a nascar attempt to promote the car. No commercials, no incentives, (obviously there aren’t many from the oe’s right now across the board) they want this car to die and it’s been incredibly clear of that for a while now. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take a 6th gen over a mustang or challenger. I want the current Camaro to be successful even if it’s not better than the 5th in my eyes.

[morepowerjoe]

Originally Posted by Aqua Blue RS/SS

Nice Chevelle!

Dodge has been selling challengers because they market the hell out of them and go out of their way to give them bad ass HP options which they again market the hell out of.. It has little to do with a redesign in my opinion.. They took a 13-15 year old platform and outsold the significantly newer Camaro and mustang platforms on HP marketing alone. That and anyone with a 450 credit score can get into one. The mustang and hasn’t dropped on its ass at anywhere near the rate the 6th gen has. 72,000ish units in 2016 to 20,000ish in 2022… GM is absolutely to blame in a lot of regards here though as they have not made but a nascar attempt to promote the car. No commercials, no incentives, (obviously there aren’t many from the oe’s right now across the board) they want this car to die and it’s been incredibly clear of that for a while now. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take a 6th gen over a mustang or challenger. I want the current Camaro to be successful even if it’s not better than the 5th in my eyes.

Nice point.

[Chevelle vs Camaro]

Originally Posted by Aqua Blue RS/SS

Nice Chevelle!

Thnks.

Originally Posted by Aqua Blue RS/SS

and anyone with a 450 credit score can get into one.

Literally laughed out loud.

Sad that after 2024 only the Mustang will be available…


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[ariZona28]

Originally Posted by Chevelle vs Camaro

Well since 2015 the mustang has declined in sales every year as welp. No redesign…..the market was dying.

also probably why 5th gen out sold 6th gen… market dying.



Dodge updated the Challenger exterior and interior wise thus more people choosing the competitor’s

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I'm thinking one of the reasons the 5th outsold the 6th is that Chevy was a victim of thier own success. Why get rid of a car that I REALLY like, is paid off and gamble on a "new and improved " addition I may or may not like?
I don't hate on the 6ths like some of the other folks, I really like the performance of the SS and ZL1 models but I'm so happy with my 2 Camaros why take on another payment?
As far as the Challengers, I had no idea they did ANY external updates. They all look the same to me. I give credit to gm (formerly GM) and Ford for at least allowing the models to evolve. Guess Dodge is of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" school of design. Works for them but nothing special or unique about the Challengers. At least the Camaros (both 5th and 6th) stand out in a parking lot.

[ZED SLED]

Trade in day 2017. Never looked back.

[el ess A]

Y'all make me laugh. Camaros are Camaros. I don't care what year they are. Or how stupid they made them look (mid-70s weren't that hot with those gigantic shock mounted bumpers). It's still better than owning a Mustang or a Corvette, IMO.

Some people love their Camaros no matter what. I don't care what year sold however many cars. The point is when they were THERE, you could get one. Soon, that won't be the case. And not like 20 years ago when they stopped temporarily. I don't think they're coming back in the way we would like them. Any new generation is one I probably won't be buying.

I love both our 5th gens. We had a pair of 4th gens which we loved as well. Each generation has their drawbacks and each has their strengths. And soon each will be getting all their repair parts from broken ones or aftermarket. That's what will suck.

Time will be the ultimate test as it has been in every car brand generation. In 10 years, who knows what will be still desirable when it comes to those old Camaros they used to build...thanks for nothing GM. You've been strangling the Camaro since its return until it's finally going to die. It sold well despite your best efforts to kick it to the curb. I remember a tepid, limited marketing campaign linking it to the Transformers movie during 2010 model year, but other than that, hardly anything when it came to advertising.

[ajg85]

Originally Posted by el ess A

The point is when they were THERE, you could get one. Soon, that won't be the case. And not like 20 years ago when they stopped temporarily. I don't think they're coming back in the way we would like them.

The all EV mandate by 2035 is not just GM. It is also aligned with the executive order awhile back that is intended to bring about the end of gas powered vehicles permanently for civilians. It's not just Camaros going the way of the dinosaurs as we got a little over a decade before Corvettes, trucks, and every internal combustion engine is literally illegal to sell followed by illegal to drive sometime after that!

I probably should have just opened the topic with this. There is still time for one last gas guzzling Camaro! I decided I cannot justify the extra $$$$$ for a supercharger or the track package so the last unicorn is the 6th gen 1SS for me. I can always bust out the laptop and wrenches if want to make it faster later on down the line with a bit of reverse engineering!

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by ajg85

The all EV mandate by 2035 is not just GM. It is also aligned with the executive order awhile back that is intended to bring about the end of gas powered vehicles permanently for civilians. It's not just Camaros going the way of the dinosaurs as we got a little over a decade before Corvettes, trucks, and every internal combustion engine is literally illegal to sell followed by illegal to drive sometime after that!

EO's don't really mean squat because they're not law. And any regulation can be rolled back. I see this coming. Maybe not completely, but at least partially. The SOB that pulled that out of his butt won't be there after 2028 regardless of what happens and the winds can change before all this goes to hell and back. It needs to.

Choices are being taken away and if people just sit there and let it happen, don't complain when you're forced to drive an EV.

The problem is, I think we're hitting peak EV demand now, or at least pretty soon. Just saw an electric bus company go down the crapper, and Ford's complaining louder and louder about having to lose money on their EV stuff.

The people will decide what they want. You may get some idiots to drop their ICE cars by squeezing them at the pump, but not all. They're not catching on. Gov't mandates and regulations and your tax dollars are the only things keeping the EV industry alive right now. It's fine if people want to buy them, but I don't see the huge, grassroots demand to keep companies profitable on their own. Someone show it to me.

Too much baggage already with EVs and they haven't even got profitable yet as an industry. They're not ready for primetime, IMO.

Watched a guy on TV yesterday opine they should mandate if you buy an EV, you must also invest in solar panels to put on top of your house if you want to charge it. If you wanna go green, go all the way.