Posts about the economy and GM...

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by lol what

Unlike the fleet of 30MPG+ Daewoos with Chevrolet badges out there, these are cars built on GM engineering in GM factories with GM money, and they're a reason to look forward to the future.

Interesting fact -- (and I'm gonna make you do some homework....)

Go look at what the gas mileage is on the Aveo (The Daewoo) - and then go look at what the gas mileage is on the Cobalt XFE.......(GM Engineering in a GM factory in Ohio...)

(you can find the MPG at www.chevy.com)


................the Cobalt is substantially better!

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Sir, you are my hero and if I wasn't 21 I would emancipate myself and ask you to adopt me.

First, concerning your comments on Canada and the Canadian people, I think if everyone knew a Canadian, we'd all be a lot happier. They're just the coolest people, and they're making our Camaro which makes them even more awesome. Canada is certainly on my shortlist of countries I'd be willing to relocate to. (Former British colonies make up most of that list as my foreign language skills are nothing to brag about).

Concerning straight-ticket voting, I believe that is exactly why George Washington disliked the idea of political parties so much. When we identify ourselves with a certain group, we tend to forget the real issues and instead focus only on "us versus them". I find myself doing that often, and even though I agree with my party on most issues, there are some things on their platform I sharply disagree with. I'd love to see the 3rd parties strengthen and actually challenge our two party structure.

well.......we could discuss that adoption perhaps......




First point about Canadians:

My window at the Renaissance Center overlooks Windsor, Ontario. (tidbit: if I look due south, I look into Canada! think about it.....) Windsor is not only a beautiful city, but it's full of wonderful people and a lot of my friends live there. I was humbled to be invited to the Toronto Auto show last winter - and while I'd been to St. Catharines many times - I'd never been in Toronto proper.

WHAT A GREAT CITY! (other than 'yall had an AWFUL lot of snow on the ground and dang was it cold!!!)

The energy is wonderful -- and the Canadian people remind me of a better time in America -- when we still believed in decorum - -the Canadians, at least to what I've seen, still have that decorum -- and have a politeness that, regretfully, I'm afraid has disappeared from some parts of the United States --

Anywhoo -- I was asked to address a group of Camaro/Firebird enthusiasts -- and I made some comments about how much I loved being in Toronto -- and how many great friends I've made over the years in Ontario -- and I said "....wow....mebbe I should move here -- because you don't have Jane Fonda or Nancy Pelosi!..."

AS to the Political parties? I think this is one of the biggest problems the United States faces - the bickering never stops -- and it's nearly always the Republicans versus the Democrats --- and I for one am tired of it. It's almost like a bunch of unruly children running wild thru the halls of Congress and the Senate..........and it's a crying shame!

OK -- let's get back on topic, shall we????

[themossman]

I had a feeling you and I would get along...

I've been preaching the 'none of the above' for more than a few years now...seems ol' Brewster was ahead of his time.

Don't use the $50M number...use $500M....HALF A BILLION DOLLARS...that's how much the CEO of Lehman took out of the company since 2000....

The Boards of Directors are the epitome of 'good old boys' clubs. My very real, albeit limited, experience indicated as such. The CEO of one company sits on the board of 5-10 others...governing CEO's that sit on the boards of other companies....you scratch my back...I'll scratch yours.

If you think your vote won't count because you're not voting for either one of the major parties...you're doing exactly what they hope you'll do...pick one of them. It's time we all picked someone else. As for me....I will NEVER vote for another attorney for public office (excepting obvious offices).

[The_Blur]

The agreement in this thread is amazing, if not suspicious.

Many of you are fans of one party or the other. Not many have discussed voting for both. I'm so glad that you have embraced that idea.

Some people get compensated way too much for their jobs. Unless you save the world from alien invasion, you don't deserve $50M. I don't care who you are.

GM has an amazing lineup when it comes to fuel efficiency. Why does that not matter to so many consumers? It doesn't make sense to me. GM is the best brand in the world for so many reasons. Gas savings should be at the top of everyone's list, so everyone should be getting GM cars.

I am glad that GM is so confident that bankruptcy is not an option. A strong message like that will help bring confidence back to the automotive industry as a whole.

Lol what identifies some serious concern about the auto industry for American companies. At the same time, I want to counter with all of the positive press that has resulted from successful cars like the Cobalt, Malibu, CTS, Flex, and GM's huge line of alternative fuel vehicles. One of those vehicles, the Chevrolet Volt, is considered Detroit's most inspiring vehicle since the Model T.

Fbodfather, I wouldn't dodge such a strong push for president. You're experience in a large corporate hierarchy and pushing agendas, like the Camaro project, might make you a strong political leader. We've had presidents come from stranger fields than the automotive industry. You could be a real winner for this country, especially with the policy strength of your original post. You don't need to be patient. It might make you a better president if you aren't patient.

Lastly, my mom has a series of autoimmune conditions, including Lupus. I completely understand your experience with the American health care system, and I am grateful for what we have in this country. :flag2:

[transfrmn]

Canadians are cool i mean look at Nickelback their canadian and they are awesome

sry didn't mean to be off subject but i had to

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

Interesting fact -- (and I'm gonna make you do some homework....)

Go look at what the gas mileage is on the Aveo (The Daewoo) - and then go look at what the gas mileage is on the Cobalt XFE.......(GM Engineering in a GM factory in Ohio...)

(you can find the MPG at www.chevy.com)


................the Cobalt is substantially better!

I don't know...I find it kinda weird that the Aveo, a subcompact and perceived to be a gas saver, was worse than the Cobalt, a class above, in fuel economy.

Originally Posted by transfrmn

Canadians are cool i mean look at Nickelback their canadian and they are awesome

sry didn't mean to be off subject but i had to

*coughs*

Nickelback...ugh...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by stovt001

First, concerning your comments on Canada and the Canadian people, I think if everyone knew a Canadian, we'd all be a lot happier. They're just the coolest people, and they're making our Camaro which makes them even more awesome. Canada is certainly on my shortlist of countries I'd be willing to relocate to. (Former British colonies make up most of that list as my foreign language skills are nothing to brag about).

. . . I'd love to see the 3rd parties strengthen and actually challenge our two party structure.

If everyone knew a Canadian eh? I know quite a few . . . and come to think of it, everyone here knows at least one, sorta.

As for more parties in politics, it just creates more of a mess come election time. What do I mean? Well we have 5 official parties -Conservatives (in power), Liberals (normally in power), New Democrats (never in power), Bloc Quebecois (want an independent Quebec, only run candidates in Quebec), and the Green party (environmentalists). This is the stupid thing though, 3/5 parties agree on most things. The one that consistently disagrees is the one currently in power. The people of this country want to vote Harper out, but they don't know who to vote in. So the vote will be split and nothing will change and nothing will get done.

I almost forgot, there are about a dozen others, including 2 Communist Parties, a Libertarian party, one that exists only to legalize marijuana (Green and NDP also push for this), a Christian Heritage Party, one that wants to bulldoze the entire country and regrade it so that you can 'coast from coast to coast' . There are a few others that I've missed.

We go to the polls on Tuesday.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by transfrmn

Canadians are cool i mean look at Nickelback their canadian and they are awesome

sry didn't mean to be off subject but i had to

Nickelback are an American band now, we've disowned them. Same with Celine Dion, we were fine with her down in Vegas. We wish she stayed there.


Oh, and to put things back on topic . . . might I suggest getting some GM stock now, then sell it for some GM 'rolling stock' in a year or so.

[TAG UR IT]

Thanks for the awesome post, Scott.

I get political emails every day emphasizing jabs at one candidate or another and it gets old. I am so done w/ politics....overpaid...law makers who break laws..no, not getting into it....not getting into it.

I just want to say thanks for the post. And, I agree w/ everything you say....except for moving to Canada...kinda cold up there...for a bit toooooo long!

I received several emails that stated real concern over the threads that talked about GM going bankrupt -- and those about the Camaro being delayed -- and thus, I felt that I would respond because I was asked to......and if I'd responded in the political thread area, those with concerns about the Camaro being delayed -- or GM going bankrupt -- those people would most likely have not seen it...........so I hope you'll humor me....

...why the thread didn't get moved.
I refuse to go into the political thread. I'll BLOW UP THE BOARD if I go in there........and BAN a bunch of people!!! HAHAHAHA ....so, someone like me would have missed it!! Thus, no moving the thread. Cool? COOL.

[transfrmn]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Oh, and to put things back on topic . . . might I suggest getting some GM stock now, then sell it for some GM 'rolling stock' in a year or so.

yea buy for 4$ now sell for at least 40 after the Camaro and Volt come out

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If everyone knew a Canadian eh? I know quite a few . . . and come to think of it, everyone here knows at least one, sorta.

As for more parties in politics, it just creates more of a mess come election time. What do I mean? Well we have 5 official parties -Conservatives (in power), Liberals (normally in power), New Democrats (never in power), Bloc Quebecois (want an independent Quebec, only run candidates in Quebec), and the Green party (environmentalists). This is the stupid thing though, 3/5 parties agree on most things. The one that consistently disagrees is the one currently in power. The people of this country want to vote Harper out, but they don't know who to vote in. So the vote will be split and nothing will change and nothing will get done.

I almost forgot, there are about a dozen others, including 2 Communist Parties, a Libertarian party, one that exists only to legalize marijuana (Green and NDP also push for this), a Christian Heritage Party, one that wants to bulldoze the entire country and regrade it so that you can 'coast from coast to coast' . There are a few others that I've missed.

We go to the polls on Tuesday.

Good points there. I think the argument over bi-party, many parties, and no parties is very fascinating. True, the more power is dispersed the slower things are accomplished, but in some cases that is a good thing. In other cases...not so much. To be honest, I haven't fully picked a side in that argument, and I don't think I will any time soon because I learn so much more any time it is discussed and I don't want to risk being closed minded to that debate.

Oh, and psh to you knowing tons of Canadians. You may be awesome people but you do not equal everyone so therefore not everyone knows a Canadian and therefore some people are missing out.

[camaro5]

Godspeed GM

[2KZ28_For_Now]

Nice post, FBF. Get the people thinking. Get them taking action. Get them enthused. You are definitely good at that.

(feel free to skip to the next post from here- rant alert)
Now for one point of agreement: you can largely blame the fact that almost all major American corporations have been raided by their execs and collusion within the good ole' boys' club.

The skeletons left afterwards are thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) of proud, hard-working people scrimping their last few dollars left for a meal the next day - and hoping they get to work some day for a company that actually values - and INVESTS in them, instead of their vapid figureheads.

OK, I'm taking a breath and stopping now, after one last word - which is a lyric quote which some of you have heard before: "The more we take, the less we become. The fortune of one man leaves less for some."

Were at a point where there's less left for everyone.

But, we'll recover and move on.

God Bless America, and all of our brave men and women serving their country. :flag1:

[stovt001]

Make no mistake about it - this crisis is changing things. People are suddenly very aware of what has gone wrong. We're not only aware of what others have done wrong, but also what we have done wrong. If we're fortunate we'll remember it, put aside our preconceptions, and change to make sure it doesn't happen again.