If the Z28 does not outperform the GT500...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by LostInMoscow

If Rosie O'Donnell outperformed Angelina Jolie, who would you rather be with? I'll take the Z please!

Originally Posted by blackZbandit

The Z/28 should at bare minimum accelerate and brake on par with the CTS V. With that, I submit the following: CTS V COUPE vs GT500

Either that CTS-V just flat-out plants the power better, the driver just didn't get a good launch, or that theres something I'm not seeing... I didn't expect that V to jump out that far that quick. I do wonder, though, if it would've kept the lead that it had That was cool, though, and gives me even more hope that Z28 is just going to get it done

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

why would they be benchmarking a gt500 against it if there intentions wasn't to out perform?

Originally Posted by OldJedi

I could have bought a 2SS when they first came out, but saw the motor trend rendering of the Z28 and was hooked! I have kept my fingers crossed ever since. Ed Welburn said it was coming and that was good enough for me. I have a deposit at a dealership for their first Z28 when it becomes available. The car will have at least 550HP, 6 piston Brembos and will look totally vicious. Someone else will always have a faster car. But ask yourself this question: When you wake up at 3:00AM and open your garage door, what do you want to see looking back at you? For me, it is a Z/28 !

I can see the halos and LEDs in my head as we speak

Originally Posted by Matster

Is that with the lights on or off...cause I got a pretty good imagination.

You wrong Colonel Sanders...

[Crowley]

I voted no if it is at the same price point ... mods for mods though, I don't see the Z/28 keeping up ..

Crowley

[VADER SS L99]

I voted no. Just like everyone has said, the Z28 will be an epic failure if it does not at least perform dead even with the GT500. I have a wake up call for everyone. If the current LSA goes into the Z it WILL be an epic failure. It is going to take at least 580hp to keep on par with the GT500. That means a tuned up LSA or LS9 or completely different motor. My guess is that GM will just put the current LSA in the car with the same drivetrain as the CTS-V and call it a day. This is because it would cost them more to make the alternatives and test the crap out of them to make sure they live. They are just going to hope the Camaro out sells the Mustang on looks alone, the way Ford did all those years the GM offerings were kicking the crap out of them but still got outsold by the Stang. Lets be honest, this car is coming out to compete in the GT500 market because the GT500 has its own market right now and GM wants a piece of it. GM I hope you read these post when we say if this car doesnt perform dead even or better than the GT500 it will be an epic failure and go into the history books as an complete embarrassment. It will also loose you some sales from those of us that have no affiliation to one American brand. Thank You and goodnight.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I voted no. Just like everyone has said, the Z28 will be an epic failure if it does not at least perform dead even with the GT500. I have a wake up call for everyone. If the current LSA goes into the Z it WILL be an epic failure. It is going to take at least 580hp to keep on par with the GT500. That means a tuned up LSA or LS9 or completely different motor. My guess is that GM will just put the current LSA in the car with the same drivetrain as the CTS-V and call it a day. This is because it would cost them more to make the alternatives and test the crap out of them to make sure they live. They are just going to hope the Camaro out sells the Mustang on looks alone, the way Ford did all those years the GM offerings were kicking the crap out of them but still got outsold by the Stang. Lets be honest, this car is coming out to compete in the GT500 market because the GT500 has its own market right now and GM wants a piece of it. GM I hope you read these post when we say if this car doesnt perform dead even or better than the GT500 it will be an epic failure and go into the history books as an complete embarrassment. It will also loose you some sales from those of us that have no affiliation to one American brand. Thank You and goodnight.

I'll say it again, but I really don't know how much it costs to develop huge projects like this, however, it's not like GM doesn't have to tools. LS9/LSA blocks are the same, so take the crank from LS9 with the caps, use the head gaskets, cam, SC, and pistons, and swap over the rods and valves from LSA. Except for the rods, I think that'd be a great place to start. It'd be nice to get the Ti rods and intake valves, but I think it'd add too much $$$ to keep reasonable; I can't really think of anything else in the parts bin that would offer the strength and lightness of these, but if it were that simple, they could just stuff LS9 in there, and I really don't think that's going to happen.

Bottom line, I don't think they'll just stuff LSA in there without improvements. Even if they don't go all out with any major LS9 parts, there are still little bits they could transfer over and get a good base. I don't think GM's as blind as a few of you think. Why test it along with the GT500 with the performance package if they didn't intend of going head-to-head. The only thing I worry about is the intent of many possible owners to upgrade the car, much like GT500 guys do, and that they don't go as far as Ford has to keep the car able to handle those upgrades. It's totally cool to have a factory-backed car with accessories that pump the power well into the 600s . Even if GM doesn't go that far, they will build it enough to where it will handle improvements; look at LS1/2/3/6/7/etc. There are plenty of 600 RWHP LS3s running around here without much problem

[Ken67]

I would because Ford Sucks.

[Ken67]

Also its All about the Driver. not the car. my little 2001 Pontiac Grand Am GT out raced a 2009 Ford Mustang GT500. I'm 17 and he was at least 25. so he should have more experience. but i still beat him.:fighting0040:

[bolteon593]

you guys better hope it does...



otherwise...

[2010SLVRBULIT]

dunno, if one had a choice between a GS vette and a z28, which would you choose? To me it wouldn't matter, especially @ their asking price. Throw a GT500 in the mix..dream on, huh..

[jrc1122]

I want a GT500 more and more each day.... I can't speak for the Z28-- no REAL data is out yet.

Hypotheticals can be fun... what if I won the lottery, etc etc.

[jrc1122]

Originally Posted by Ken67

Also its All about the Driver. not the car. my little 2001 Pontiac Grand Am GT out raced a 2009 Ford Mustang GT500. I'm 17 and he was at least 25. so he should have more experience. but i still beat him.:fighting0040:

I can PROMISE you he wasn't racing.
He couldn't messed up that bad. He would have had to stall his engine, spill his coffee, and forget to lower his e brake to lose to a Grand Am.

I remember when I was 17, I thought everyone was racing me too. LOL.. seriously,, once you gain some age/ experience under your belt, you will realize that 90% of the people you "think" you are racing at a light or on the HWY aren't even paying you any attention.

[Ramonesfiend]

Ken67 I have to completely agree with jrc1122, even though I'm only 21 I now notice most people who drive don't "race." I used to think my 128hp isuzu trooper beat z28s, mustang gts, etc. It wasn't until I did take it to a drag strip that I realized how stupid I actually was for thinking they were racing me from street light to street light.

Though Ken67 does bring up a point that in a true race (not specifically drag-racing) it is a lot more driver then car. I beat my friend in his highly modified awd eagle talon tsi in my stock v70 2.4T (less power and worse handling then a stock eagle tsi awd) in autocrosses, though not by much but it does demonstrate a real example of better driver/ok car vs. ok driver/better car.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by radz28

Bottom line, I don't think they'll just stuff LSA in there without improvements. Even if they don't go all out with any major LS9 parts, there are still little bits they could transfer over and get a good base. I don't think GM's as blind as a few of you think. Why test it along with the GT500 with the performance package if they didn't intend of going head-to-head. The only thing I worry about is the intent of many possible owners to upgrade the car, much like GT500 guys do, and that they don't go as far as Ford has to keep the car able to handle those upgrades. It's totally cool to have a factory-backed car with accessories that pump the power well into the 600s . Even if GM doesn't go that far, they will build it enough to where it will handle improvements; look at LS1/2/3/6/7/etc. There are plenty of 600 RWHP LS3s running around here without much problem

I was just wondering...is the Shelby GT500 factory warrantied like how the SLP ZL575 is? Why is there no Ford performance section like the SRT and the Z28? What happened to Ford's SVT? To me, the Shelby GT500 should be compared to like Lingenfelter or Hennessey if it is not factory warrantied. In any case, I really don't think GM would test it against the GT500 only to make it fail against it. Just doesn't sound right. Z28 for me...no matter what.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

I was just wondering...is the Shelby GT500 factory warrantied like how the SLP ZL575 is? Why is there no Ford performance section like the SRT and the Z28? What happened to Ford's SVT? To me, the Shelby GT500 should be compared to like Lingenfelter or Hennessey if it is not factory warrantied. In any case, I really don't think GM would test it against the GT500 only to make it fail against it. Just doesn't sound right. Z28 for me...no matter what.

1) The GT500 is made completely by Ford Motor Company, so it carries the exact same warranty as every other Mustang that rolls off the assembly line.

2)SVT still exists and, in fact, engineered/continues to engineer the GT500 and other vehicles (ever hear of the SVT Raptor pickup?).

If the Z28 does not outperform the 2011 GT500, I would be really surprised.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

I was just wondering...is the Shelby GT500 factory warrantied like how the SLP ZL575 is? Why is there no Ford performance section like the SRT and the Z28? What happened to Ford's SVT? To me, the Shelby GT500 should be compared to like Lingenfelter or Hennessey if it is not factory warrantied. In any case, I really don't think GM would test it against the GT500 only to make it fail against it. Just doesn't sound right. Z28 for me...no matter what.

1. The GT500 is factory warrantied just like the SS or CTS-V.
2. Dealer can add a 650HP Supercharger upgrade that does not void your warranty, and is a Ford Part with a Ford tune.
3. Dealer can now install a 750HP Supercharger that will void your warranty, and is a Ford Part with a Ford tune.
4. The GT500 should not be mentioned is the same post as certain aftermarket tuners.

Ford has the 'Ford Racing' group, that dwarfs offerings by others...

http://www.fordracingparts.com/home/home.asp