Kennebell or Magnacharger??

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by old motorhead

What good is 15 or 20psi of 200+ degree air? Sure the KB can blow it, but aren't you still limited by the small intercooler under the blower?

You are also forgetting methanol injection. The more horsepower you draw out of the LS3, the more modifications you will need to stay safe. We have seen that 600hp to the wheels is pretty easily achievable. Once you get past 650 on the stock block, now you're looking at a built motor. The point being, that if all supporting mods are made, the KB should be good to very high psi. Also KB uses the same manifold for all 3 blowers. So the potential is there, if later on you want to go much higher, you can swap out just the rotor assembly separately to a 3.6 or 4.2. Hence, much more room to grow.

[M6HuggerSS]

Originally Posted by Jon@MagnaCharger

The reason we retain the factory air box and changing it negates the CARB EO# is that in order to remain emissions legal the factory Carbon Trap must be retained. In most cars that carbon trap is located in the stock air box. Also, a CAI requires a custom tune and the supplied tune is part of the CARB EO#'d package.

i would think the TVS having a CARB# would make it a no brainer if you live in CA or a similar nazi smog state...

this makes the choice simple for me...
i WILL be getting a TVS for my SS when its ready.

[Mike@KB]

We are pending with CARB we will have an EO number.

[TAG UR IT]

So...what I'm gathering is this...

If you go with the TVS 2300, you will be maxed out at HP levels at around 550 to 600 rwhp vs the KB which has other interchangeable parts which could potentially make a lot more hp over time should the owner upgrade? Is that correct?

It appears that both set ups are good and both will be sufficient for daily driving with a bit of "get on it" here and there. It also seems that regardless of which way you go, it will provide the power that any upgrader would want. However, should one want to add a bit more over time, the KB is the only way to go. Is that correct?

[usmcjlp]

That is my understanding. However, many shops will argue that for the street there are practical limits to how much power you can use. Also keep in mind that the more power you add the more supporting mods will be required.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

So...what I'm gathering is this...

If you go with the TVS 2300, you will be maxed out at HP levels at around 550 to 600 rwhp vs the KB which has other interchangeable parts which could potentially make a lot more hp over time should the owner upgrade? Is that correct?

It appears that both set ups are good and both will be sufficient for daily driving with a bit of "get on it" here and there. It also seems that regardless of which way you go, it will provide the power that any upgrader would want. However, should one want to add a bit more over time, the KB is the only way to go. Is that correct?

Sort of .. I think the TVS can achieve greater HP levels than 550 or 600. ADM has done some additional work to reduce belt slip etc .. l think you can look at it more like max boost ... I'm not sure the TVS can go beyond say 15 or 16 lbs of boost where Im guessing that above those levels is where the KB really will shine.

For your normal daily driven 93 octane car, I don't think you will see much of a difference between the two ...

I'm guessing that the KB will really shine for those that have a track only car and run the proper mods/gas to make the big power the larger KB can achieve.

I always think back to my 04 cobra days .. you can max out the stock eaton on those cars pretty quick by upping the boost. You can then port the blower and go a bit farther .. say 16 lbs or so ... but that will most likely be it and the supercharger is no longer effiecent enough to warrent going higher .... those people then go to a whipple or KB solution (if they want to stay with the top mount) as those blowers can support much higher boost levels.

Crowley

[usmcjlp]

Thanks for the explanation Crowley.

[Andy@Livernois]

well we have made 640+rwhp more than once with an A6 car and a Magnacharger

now the magnacharger has its limits for sure, and after that is where we make the switch to KB. They are both great products, as are all the superchargers available for the Camaro, and we are lucky enough to be dealers for every single one out there.

Basically i lay it out like this:

If you want the capability to run mid to bottom 10's the magnacharger will get you there no problem, if you want faster than that, then you have to step up the game some and go with KB.

[Speed74SS]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ The intercooler under the blower isnt the problem, its the size/efficiency of the front mount heat exchanger. When you start running 15-20psi you need to look at dual pass heat exchangers with dual fan's and larger IC resivoirs just like the Cobra guy's have been doing for years now. The aftermarket hasn't caught up yet to the 20psi SS owners yet but give it some time. Some 19psi Cobra's are actually seeing below ambient air temps in the Killer Chiller which cools your IC coolant by using the AC system.

I should have told that to the guy with GT500 at the road track the other day. He was running 650hp to the wheels and I am at 520hp to the wheels. He couldn't catch me on the long straight (150mph), as his car was pulling alot of timing. It was 92 deg and really humid. He had an aftermarket large IC set up as well. He pulled his blower off at the track and went through everything because he thought something was wrong or plugged, as he had 130 more hp to the wheels and he couldn't catch me on the straights, as he should have. I will have to tell him about the chiller and maybe a different heat exchanger.

[usmcjlp]

speed74SS,

Are you sure the guy could drive? Sounds like he may have been looking for excuses.

[Speed74SS]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

speed74SS,

Are you sure the guy could drive? Sounds like he may have been looking for excuses.

I think he was just a little mad that he could not get by me on the straights. He is also running full race slicks. I believe he was looking for excuses but the really long straight is a 20mph entry and he was right behind me coming on to the straight. It was kind of funny but I definately wouldn't be pulling my car apart at the track because I couldn't beat someone else. There is always a faster car - somewhere.

[TAG UR IT]

Good info, guys

[radz28]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Good info, guys

+2 Thanks for the input

[Slowhawk]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

That is my understanding. However, many shops will argue that for the street there are practical limits to how much power you can use. Also keep in mind that the more power you add the more supporting mods will be required.

There is never a limit on power.I find customers stop asking for more at about 800-900rwhp.That is when they break the tires loose at 100+mph.

Yes,more power = more broken parts.