2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[Doubleblank]

You must be responding to the previous poster's comments that I put in quotes......from several posts ahead of mine. My statements had nothing to do with posted ET's....I don't give a s__t about ET's.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Off topic... But we are down here in Pensacola today and tomorrow.... (waves)

Nice! See you all around!

[tt335ci03cobra]

The camaro might drop to 3700#'s and hopefully less.

Why the mustang would gain 150#'s to become 3700#'s is beyond me. If you meant gt500, I don't think it's reasonable to awesome the camaro gen6 will lose 420#'s to become 3700#'s while the gt500 would only lose 150#'s to become 3700...

If the gt500 lost 10% of its weight (to be fair) it'd be 385#'s lighter. Take 11#'s off that since the camaro is 4120 which is shy of 4200 and you get a gt500 that's 3475#'s... Also pretty unrealistic but we can all hope.

I wanna see it but I'm gonna assume each model in the respective model lines will be 150#'s lighter on mustangs and about 250#'s lighter on Camaro's.

3870# zl1
3600# ss
3325# v6


3700# gt500
3450# gt
3250# v6

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

As I see it, this "competition" will come to a more "balanced" conclusion when the next-Gen versions of BOTH cars arrive. With CAFE '16 looming, lumping 150+ lb. (blower/intercooler/supporting "hardware") on the noses of their smaller-lighter replacements will make less sense. Naturally aspirated engines (or smaller-lighter engines with engine-weight-conscious boost), with weight distribution closer to 50/50 and therefore more of an emphasis on a "balanced" driving experience, is where the Market AND Manufacturers should/will be headed. And, with those better-balanced chassis, performance based on weight-to-power will be even better...in ALL disciplines...as will be the required mpg.

What's being built now, ZL1 vs. GT500, will become as archaic as Street Hemi GTXs vs. Super Cobra Jet Torinos vs. SS 454 Chevelles...imvho...and, likely, just as "beatable"...STOCK for STOCK for STOCK.

And THAT is a circumstance I personally look forward to...after all, if GM can build a 3900 lb. Commodore into a ZL1 (figuratively), just imagine what should happen with a 3500 lb. Alpha with near-50/50, 500hp Camaro with "MRC-4"...that gets 30 mpg, hiway...!!!

ZL1 vs. GT500? Last of a breed...get 'em while you can. But be ready to "pass the crown"!

I can agree with this....I've felt that way for a long while now. The next platforms will be lighter, better balanced, and still have loads of power which will make for a better all around and more FUN driving experience (from the base cars to the highest trims)

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I say let them have their crown, I'll take my absurdly overpowered car and be happy about it.

I do have a hard time seeing either the Camaros new platform, or new Mustang platform shedding more than 2-3 hundred pounds Max.

Maybe a 3700 lb mustang/camaro at the lightest.

If GM can make a turbo 2.0 in the ATS weigh 3,400 lbs or less as they claim, I don't see why they couldn't come up with a 6th Gen Camaro SS weighing in around 3,600 give or take. The Current SS is around 100lbs or so heavier than the V6, even with its beefier driveline components and larger engine, so I think the above is surely possible.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by Synerbee

does it have the track app. I am considering upgrading to 2013 5.0 in gotta have it green for my next car.

Sent from my DROID2 using Tapatalk

are you selling your synergy green?

[Deki]

Originally Posted by kellyjns20

I dont think the ZL1 can be compared to the GT500 from a car perspective. The GT500 will beat it badly on a drag strip with the same drivers. And the ZL1 barely edged the Boss out on a road course. I just dont see this being a great comparison.

ZL1 barely edged out the Boss on a road course? 2.45 seconds is not barely edging it out, it's complete decimation. That's a healthy margin. Barely edging it out would be 1/6th of that time. I'm a Mustang owner, and even I can see that the ZL1 is faster on a road course. I think Boss would be a more visceral experience, and it would probably be the one I would chose. When I do road racing, I treat it just like when I drag race, which is just racing against my own time, because there are always better and faster drivers and cars out there. My first road course I did here in Phoenix at Firebird Main a long time ago, I got passed by a guy running an almost bone stock Miata with half the power my car at the time had. He passed me like I was in coasting in neutral. I followed his line for a couple of laps until he got so far ahead of me I couldn't see his line anymore, and then before the next session I spend a good amount of time talking to the dude and trying to learn as much about the track as I could.

[rez333]

Corvette and Viper should have been mid-rear engined too. If you're going to have an impractical 2 seater, then have a proper one with the engine at the back.

I love this car.

[2001ragtop]

IBTL

MODERATORS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

EVERYONE Knows the pros and cons of each car. Move this thread to "waste of time" Directory.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Deki

ZL1 barely edged out the Boss on a road course? 2.45 seconds is not barely edging it out, it's complete decimation. That's a healthy margin. Barely edging it out would be 1/6th of that time. I'm a Mustang owner, and even I can see that the ZL1 is faster on a road course. I think Boss would be a more visceral experience, and it would probably be the one I would chose. When I do road racing, I treat it just like when I drag race, which is just racing against my own time, because there are always better and faster drivers and cars out there. My first road course I did here in Phoenix at Firebird Main a long time ago, I got passed by a guy running an almost bone stock Miata with half the power my car at the time had. He passed me like I was in coasting in neutral. I followed his line for a couple of laps until he got so far ahead of me I couldn't see his line anymore, and then before the next session I spend a good amount of time talking to the dude and trying to learn as much about the track as I could.

After a lap, yes that is huge. You say you are roadracer so I'm sure you know what happens to a SC'd car after a few laps and that the NA Boss would have passed the ZL1 after a few laps. Don't you agree? 136hp more and corners were straightened out....huge advantage for the ZL1. Don't you agree?

[ffrcobra_65]

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Shelby-...mph-Times.html



Ford GT 500 Shelby Mustang 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1968 Ford GT500KR Shelby Mustang 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter Mile 13.7

1968 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang Green Hornet EXP-500 Prototype 0-60 mph 5.6

2007 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 12.7

2007 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang Convertible 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter Mile 13.2

2008 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter mile 12.6

2008 Ford GT500KR Shelby Mustang (Supercharged 5.4L) 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.5

2010 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter Mile 12.7

2010 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang Convertible 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter Mile 12.8

2010 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang Super Snake 0-60 mph 4.0 Quarter Mile 11.8

2011 Ford GT500 Shelby Mustang 0-60 mph 4.0 Quarter Mile 12.2

2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter Mile 11.5

[newmoon]

Where are the 13 GT500 testing times? Dam aren't these cars in the process of shipping and still no times posted? We know they have been tested, but yet no results posted. What's the big secret?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Deki

ZL1 barely edged out the Boss on a road course? 2.45 seconds is not barely edging it out, it's complete decimation. That's a healthy margin. Barely edging it out would be 1/6th of that time. I'm a Mustang owner, and even I can see that the ZL1 is faster on a road course. I think Boss would be a more visceral experience, and it would probably be the one I would chose. When I do road racing, I treat it just like when I drag race, which is just racing against my own time, because there are always better and faster drivers and cars out there. My first road course I did here in Phoenix at Firebird Main a long time ago, I got passed by a guy running an almost bone stock Miata with half the power my car at the time had. He passed me like I was in coasting in neutral. I followed his line for a couple of laps until he got so far ahead of me I couldn't see his line anymore, and then before the next session I spend a good amount of time talking to the dude and trying to learn as much about the track as I could.

In the Motor Trend article the driver mentioned the 2 things that were letting the boss down was the power dficit and the brakes, BOTH of which are extrmemely upgraded in the GT500 compared to the Boss.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

After a lap, yes that is huge. You say you are roadracer so I'm sure you know what happens to a SC'd car after a few laps and that the NA Boss would have passed the ZL1 after a few laps. Don't you agree? 136hp more and corners were straightened out....huge advantage for the ZL1. Don't you agree?

I've never had the pleasure of running a S/C or any kind of F/I'd car in a track environment, but I'm sure the heat soak would play a part, but I don't think it would be a few laps. Would it heat soak enough to cause the ZL1 to fall behind the Boss? Eventually maybe, but I doubt it. It would have to be out there for a long, and I mean a LONG, time for the ZL1 to lose the lead it would build up over the course of the session and then have the Boss get ahead. Too many variables at that point. Also, I believe that MT addressed the HP advantage issue and only came up with a half second difference in the straightaways. The ZL1's big advantage was the amount of speed the car was able to carry trough the turns, and the fact it was able to brake much later, most likely due to the much larger contact patch.

Originally Posted by Stew

In the Motor Trend article the driver mentioned the 2 things that were letting the boss down was the power dficit and the brakes, BOTH of which are extrmemely upgraded in the GT500 compared to the Boss.

Brakes are the same on the GT500 and the Boss. They both use the 4 piston front Brembo 14" brakes with the 11.8" rear floating calipers. Here is the quote from the article reference the power deficit. The GT500 would still carry the same, if not a bit less speed trough the turns, since it's got a bit more weight in the front, and it's not running the R comp tires the 302LS runs.

On the road course, the Camaro was 2.4 seconds a lap quicker and almost 10 mph faster at the end of the back straight. Roughly 4 of those mph were courtesy of higher cornering speed carried out of the previous turn. Even without the big power difference on the straight, the Camaro would have been constantly making ground on the Mustang with mid-corner speed. The Camaro can simply generate more cornering force and corner faster, thanks in part to front tires that are as wide as the Mustang's rears and rear tires that are 20 millimeters wider still. Coupled with a stiffer body and more compliant suspension, the Camaro is a more capable car around the track.

[eolson]

With the new materials and technology now, they should be able to mass produce and line up vendors who will be supporting much lighter stronger cars. Even the engines and engine bays will benefit from all that's been happening.

My fear is not the performance, it's how modulated and ugly these cars could get again if designers don't stick to these cars looking reasonably tough. Look at what happened after the mid 70's, all through the 80's, and all the way into the early 2000's.

Pre 2003, there wasn't a single American car that I thought really looked tough and refined. Ugly, Ugly, Ugly. Erik