A post I was hoping to not have to make (GM blocks L3 engine warranty repair)

[chain777]

Sorry to hear the outcome Superman09, your attitude about it is commendable but I still think you should reconsider fighting it. This is setting a precedent that is going to be disastrous to the modding community, especially to the vendors. I think it would be in Elite Engineerings best interests to help you out in this fight.

[BlueStreakHouTX]

Originally Posted by chain777

Sorry to hear the outcome Superman09, your attitude about it is commendable but I still think you should reconsider fighting it. This is setting a precedent that is going to be disastrous to the modding community, especially to the vendors. I think it would be in Elite Engineerings best interests to help you out in this fight.

[wvyankee2]

Total bullshit on GM's part. A catch can is a wide spot in he line that has no effect whatsoever on the loss of oil failure of your motor. They have a defective emissions system that causes premature failure of the intake valves and they should remedy it and not punish us for trying to. People who have Jeep's have modded them for years and Jeep has nearly always stood by their warranty. I like my Camaro but can't stand GM for various reasons of past experiences with them on warranty issues. My next Pony is a Mustang.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

Sales of catch-cans are sure to take a hit now that it's a proven fact that GM can & will void a whole powertrain warranty due to one being installed.



I know this won't be popular, but I'm more disappointed in the OP than GM. If GM's warranty position was so easily accepted, to the extent of coming to their defense, then it was pointless to post the issue in the forum.
Seeing that they've won, GM will be more emboldened to deny warranties for frivolous reasons.

I agree completely with what you are saying. He's just too nice of a fellow a guess. If it were me, I wouldn't care about the cost. They would know I exist everyday until made right. I still blame them for making inferior components and then blaming it on something else when it fails.

[bobby35ny]

There ya go folks!!!

A Cold Air Intake and a Catch Can will VOID your warranty if GM sees it!!
Just for the record, I WILL look at Ford and Dodge for my next vehicle the next time around.

I was always brand loyal, CHEVY for me! Not anymore!!!!!
-Bobby

[Chevy Fanatic]

If it were me, at a minimum;

1) File a complaint with the FTC

2) I would take it to a shop for teardown / inspect, document / photograph the stuck relief valve, use the known sticking relief valve tech bulletin against GM, subpoena records of warranty oil pump replacements, obtain letter written by mechanic as to what was discovered upon teardown, file a small claims court case, sue to recover as much as court allows, in Texas I believe that is actual damages up to $10,000.00. Cost $50.00 or so to file suit / serve papers.

[Mr. Stacy]

1. To be honest, it's not just GM.I have read similar issues with Ford and others...

2. If the OP were willing, we could start another legal fund. I know about 600 people who would probably pitch in. Sure... it may not go anywhere, but you could still get your car fixed, and possibly get reimbursed for the cost. Key here is we need someone who's willing to see it through. But I understand if you don't want to. It's obvious to almost anybody the mod(s) didn't cause the failure.

3. I read the entire 2015 warranty. No where does it state that any mod, even performance mods, will void your warranty. It ONLY states that parts damaged as a result of such modifications will not be covered. This is a no brainer for any competent attorney. A catch can, or even CAI cannot void your entire warranty. If you don't believe me, go read it.

http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html

Get your car fixed. But let us fight it.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

3. I read the entire 2015 warranty. No where does it state that any mod, even performance mods, will void your warranty. It ONLY states that parts damaged as a result of such modifications will not be covered. This is a no brainer for any competent attorney. A catch can, or even CAI cannot void your entire warranty. If you don't believe me, go read it.

http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html

Bingo.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

1. To be honest, it's not just GM.I have read similar issues with Ford and others...

2. If the OP were willing, we could start another legal fund. I know about 600 people who would probably pitch in. Sure... it may not go anywhere, but you could still get your car fixed, and possibly get reimbursed for the cost. Key here is we need someone who's willing to see it through. But I understand if you don't want to. It's obvious to almost anybody the mod(s) didn't cause the failure.

3. I read the entire 2015 warranty. No where does it state that any mod, even performance mods, will void your warranty. It ONLY states that parts damaged as a result of such modifications will not be covered. This is a no brainer for any competent attorney. A catch can, or even CAI cannot void your entire warranty. If you don't believe me, go read it.

http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html

Get your car fixed. But let us fight it.

And thus why I'm done with GM unless they show proof as to the catch can being the cause of a pump failure. They don't deserve the money that I bust my ass to earn at this point.

[Tenring]

Originally Posted by Chevy Fanatic

I have made my last GM purchase. I will not sit back and watch this nonsense unfold that blames a oil pump failure on a unrelated component. GM will not ever see another dime from me because of this.

Couldn't agree more, this was the final straw.

[chuckie669]

Damn. This is sad news

[BlueStreakHouTX]

Originally Posted by motorhead

And thus why I'm done with GM unless they show proof as to the catch can being the cause of a pump failure. They don't deserve the money that I bust my ass to earn at this point.

If I read all the posts correctly, GM stated they blocked the warranty claim due to the modification of "catch can", which "starved the engine for oil and caused the failure"... they did not say how, they did not attempt to offer proof, nor did they address the possibility of it being related to an oil pump failure.... seems like they legally covered their bases pretty well.

Waiting for the Aftermarket Performance guys to let the full weight of this decision sink in.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by BlueStreakHouTX

If I read all the posts correctly, GM stated they blocked the warranty claim due to the modification of "catch can", which "starved the engine for oil and caused the failure"... they did not say how, they did not attempt to offer proof, nor did they address the possibility of it being related to an oil pump failure.... seems like they legally covered their behinds pretty well.

Waiting for the Aftermarket Performance guys to let the full weight of this decision sink in.

No of which makes any sense if in fact the failure is the oil pump. When the oil pump doesn't work the engine is starved from getting oil. The pick up for the pump is in the bottom of the oil pan. Are they saying the catch can caused all the oil in the pan to disappear and uncover the pickup? All of which happened in the few seconds it took the OP to see the problem right after starting the car which had no problem before that last start. I CALL BS WITHOUT PROOF!
THE OP STATED THAT THE CAR HAD OIL RIGHT AFTER HE SHUT IT OFF AFTER FINDING THE ISSUE. PUMP ISN'T STARVED OF OIL UNLESS THERE IS NO OIL AT THE PICKUP. HE SAID IT HAD OIL. I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE HIM. SURE THE MOTOR GOT STARVED. THAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PUMP FAILS.

This is completely insane unless we are not getting the entire story. I believe we are though.

[HeaterMan]

something doesn't seem right here.. all is not as is stated or appears. nobody who is that much in the right gives up that easily.. nobody