THE FIRST PRODUCTION WHIPPLE INSTALL STARTED

[Caliman93230]

wow guess the only way to settle this dispute would be a good old fashion drag race. equal mods equal boost. lol j/k ok guys lets not hijack this thread.

[TAG UR IT]

Or talk to Tim...hehe. He will have proven numbers on both systems...same car, same driver.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

wow guess the only way to settle this dispute would be a good old fashion drag race. equal mods equal boost. lol j/k ok guys lets not hijack this thread.

Yep, let me get my blower on and he and I can have a freindly race. Its all good. Or Tim could run him once his whipple is done, since he is closer in MD. Still I`m not too far away and it would be a blast.

[Codefive]

Originally Posted by max rider

I was told by LMR that the Maggie was the way to go over the whipple. Why is this? Just wanting some more opinions. Thanks

Steven Faraday (owner of LMR) is a good guy and shouldnt be taken lightly. He knows what he is doing and I'm kinda suprised he said that. I would investigate further, as I'm sure he has a reason, see if he can explain why he feels that way. Ask him if he has in fact tested a Whipple on a 2010 Camaro yet as they have only been recently released.

As for which is better, I guess it really depends on what you're after but I gotta say ... after tuning dozens of Maggie cars and then John & Tim's Whipple cars, the Whipple gets my vote hands down if its power and room to grow you're looking for. I think the Maggie has a better "instant snap" feel but the numbers show large gains from the hit and through the top.

As someone mentioned earlier, the Whipple keeps going up top while the Maggie (2300) runs out of steam before the end of the pull.

[Caliman93230]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Yep, let me get my blower on and he and I can have a freindly race. Its all good. Or Tim could run him once his whipple is done, since he is closer in MD. Still I`m not too far away and it would be a blast.

it would be interesting to see how this s/c behaves at the strip. we just cant dyno fight the performance of this blowers, real world drag times will tell who is king of the hill.

this thread is full of win

[usmcjlp]

GMRULZ,

Where in Virginia are you? Send me a PM, I would be interested in seeing your Camaro. Have you called Mike?

[usmcjlp]

Well it looks like I don't know when to stop. I am getting rid of the stock exhaust. GMRULZ you were right it is a restriction at these power levels. Tim dynoed his car with the Whipple and he is pretty much at about 30 greater horsepower and torque throughout the band. The only real difference is an aftermarket exhaust. I guess I'm playing catch up.

Now that I think about it, Whipple stated that the 3 inch exhaust would drop about 1-1.5 lbs of boost. I guess that means I need a couple sizes smaller pulley, Hmmm......

Tim, oh by the way I guess we need to order more parts!

[kleif]

wonderful .look cool.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

No doubt instant torque will get that car moving "if" you can hook it up. That is the key. What I will say is this, the fastest 1/4 mile Vette`s run centrifical blowers, vortech, procharger ect.. ie.. they make power higher in the rpm band, maggie powered Vette`s never seem to be able to run the same times. You can check on the corvette forum for those numbers. Now inmho the Whipple and to a similar extent the KB give you the best of both worlds, torque much sooner than the centrificals, but the ability to breathe up top better than the maggie, and almost as good as the centri`s.

As far as coming to Capital tonight, I would love too, but, I`m still waiting on my blower... Starting to get a little irritated on that, but I`m sure its worth the wait. I see you have runn 11.35@126 and you have a cam as well as the Maggie. You do realize the Whipple makes almost that power (560rwhp vs your 581rwhp) w/ everything else stock? Plus I have run 12.2 already w/ 364 rwhp, only .88 seperates us and I will be adding over 200rwhp, so if I hook it would be very bad for you I would think... We should set up a winner pays the others cost to run that night kind of thing at the trak.. A freindly wager so to speak.. What type of tires do you run? 60 foot? It does sound like you have a very nice setup.

That is why I like the big twin screw blowers as it gives the best of both worlds of centri and Roots TVS type.


usmcjlp, I was wondering why you were keeping the stock exhaust on at that power level. It really needs some 3" or cutouts. At that power level you for sure have a restriction in the stock exhaust and if it drops boost a little then its a plus.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

That is why I like the big twin screw blowers as it gives the best of both worlds of centri and Roots TVS type.


usmcjlp, I was wondering why you were keeping the stock exhaust on at that power level. It really needs some 3" or cutouts. At that power level you for sure have a restriction in the stock exhaust and if it drops boost a little then its a plus.

You live and you learn. I initially wanted to keep the stock exhaust because I was really concerned about drone in the cabin. I also wasn't sure the OEM cat back was restrictive. We'll see what the difference is after the change.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

You live and you learn. I initially wanted to keep the stock exhaust because I was really concerned about drone in the cabin. I also wasn't sure the OEM cat back was restrictive. We'll see what the difference is after the change.

If it were me I would weld some 3" very high flow resonators in which ever 3" exhaust that I got. I also would have them welded in slightly offset from each other. This really takes car of the drone. I would also do this to my car because I like having a bit of a sleeper and surprising people. For me it has always been entertaining to watch peoples reactions when they find out you have alot more than they thought.

[Caliman93230]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

You live and you learn. I initially wanted to keep the stock exhaust because I was really concerned about drone in the cabin. I also wasn't sure the OEM cat back was restrictive. We'll see what the difference is after the change.

OMG the resonator delete is like the first mod, drone no problem shift up and problem solved. besides you loose like 30 lbs and your car sounds like a true american muscle

[GMRULZ]

Usmcjlp,

I replied to your pm. I thought the stock axleback would hold you back. After watching my buddy go from 520rwhp to 560rwhp just by opening the cutouts in his 2.5 inch exhaust and knowing I would be in that power level, I knew I needed to drop the deniro for the 3 inch. I kind of wish I had bought the 2 inch primary AR headers but, when I bought my headers and put them on the 2 inch wasn`t even out yet. 1 7/8 w/ 3 inch all the way out the back should be good though. I`m sure Tim can get you a deal, if not I got a great price from a vendor on here JDP Motorsports on the Magnaflow 16483. Now I only used the connection pipes and the axleback muffler portion, I retained my ARH x-pipe w/ the cats and sold the catless magnaflow x-pipe that came w/ the kit. cutouts work great too I just wanted something simple and I figured the 3 inch would be good enough at my power level I`m looking at. Almost forgot you also have the benefit of losing weight over the stock mufflers. sound is much deeper, but amazingly quieter at WOT than the stock mufflers w/ the headers was. Definite sleeper.

Haven`t called Mike yet, pm`d the guy I bought from to follow up waiting on a response now. If I don`t get a response in a timely manner I will call Mike again, I did call Mike like 3 weeks ago just to get word from the horses mouth and I had a question on CAI`s and how the kit would respond.

Vader SS L99,
Great minds think alike!

[Roc Spo]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Instant torque is for rock climbing, pulling stumps out of the ground, pulling a heavy trailer, smoking ones tires or having extreme peppiness from stoplight to stoplight. However its not going to win 1/4 mile races... Just my 2 cents.

I`m sure the larger the blower the more it moves the power band up. At least I assume it would. The TVS1900 is known to have an incredible tip in.

I'm not trying to get into a fight - I'm happy with people buying whichever system they prefer, whether they intend to go racing, or just want a strong street performer. I could have bought a whipple from Tim, and may well do so in the future. Right now, Tim and I are trying to maximize the potential of the maggie. The point I was trying to make was that torque does indeed win races, and I've got the timeslips and videos to prove it. I just wanted to compare the two systems at the same track on the same day, and see which wins - a broad torque curve, or top end power. Regardless of the outcome, it still wouldn't prove anything - different tire pressures, let alone different tires, different suspension settings, and reaction times all play such a big part in the final outcome that no matter who won, no clear winner - whipple vs maggie could be declared. Plus - and here's the big part - it would be a ton of fun! When I go to the track, it's a million Mustangs and me. I'd love to race some Camaros, whether I won or not. I always learn more from losing than winning anyway, so it's all good.
as for usmcljp, if you don't drag race, and just want a strong street performer, I still say that torque is the way to go. If you never see 6600 rpm, who cares how much hp you're making up there. Instant torque, at any rpm, in any gear, is so much fun on the street. My cam is very mild - that's why I get so much low end power. Ask Tim - he prefers the cam in my car to the one in his for driving on the street. I could change cams tomorrow and make 70 more hp, but I won't be doing it, because it kills low end drivability.
Sorry if I insulted anyone, that wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to help people get where they want to go. Even though I've got a maggie, I'm rooting for the whipple too. I'm hoping Tim can find the right combination of pullies, cams, etc. to make the whipple outperform the maggie, I just don't think he's there yet.
Ric