2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1? - Page 33 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

8cd03gro · 11-15-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HumanWiki

No, I guess having a non-fully forged rotating assembly flinging up and down up to 6,500 times a minute under load and boost with slightly out of alignment mass produced cylinders isn't an issue for any engine. Why would lateral strain be an issue?

And again, how would this offer a comparative advantage against a fully forged, hand built DOHC v8 without deck plate honing? Is the lack of deck plate honing going to detract from the GT500's 5.8's performance? You seem to have missed the point.

HumanWiki · 11-15-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

And again, how would this offer a comparative advantage to a fully forged hand built DOHC v8 without deck plate honing? You seem to have missed the point.

What's the price difference between the GT500 and ZL1 engines for 2012? I thought I saw someone on here say the GT500 is a 15,000.00 engine.

8cd03gro · 11-15-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HumanWiki

What's the price difference between the GT500 and ZL1 engines for 2012? I thought I saw someone on here say the GT500 is a 15,000.00 engine.

What does that have to do with the comparative advantage of deck plate honing?

HumanWiki · 11-15-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What does that have to do with the comparative advantage of deck honing?

Well, let's see.. Let's say the ZL1's engine is 7500.00 and the GT500s is 15,000.00 -- whatever, I don't know the real engine prices.. I'm just trying to make a point on the honing.

One is forged. One is partly forged.

The cheaper non-fully forged ZL1 engine getting deck honing to increase longevity of the engine, while putting out similar power numbers to an engine that costs twice as much seems like an advantage to me assuming they're both staying stock.

obzidian · 11-15-2011, 04:39 PM

the LSA is around there, probably around 12-13K. Don't quote me though.

Guys, arguing about how reliable the engines are is not going to get you anywhere. They both hold power, one more reliably than the other, true, but that has nothing to do how the block is prepped.

FORGED INTERNALS. The ford has everything forged, chevy doesn't. Pretty simple really.

maxpower5 · 11-15-2011, 04:39 PM

this is a monster - highest hp production v8 ever made!

here are the specs for all those that wanna see:
http://www.stangnet.com/2011/11/14/2...500/#more-5481

look out zl1.....this is a good time to be alive!

Cliffs:

5.8L-650Hp/600ft lbs TQ
Electronically adjustable suspension
Larger/More efficient cooling system
Launch Control
6 piston Brembos (Front)/ larger rotors all around

3850lbs

Shurenuff · 11-15-2011, 04:41 PM

Wow, thanks for the breaking news

Fightinfire921 · 11-15-2011, 04:43 PM

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Wow, thanks for the breaking news

He must of just woke up from a deep sleep.

IcePick06 · 11-15-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Recaro's and a Navigation System which is head of its class at this point, from American Manufactures that is, ambient lighting that can change to 125 different colours. Enough said

ooohhh cool... "MYCOLOR" lighting.

Kinda goofy. How about a rear view camera built into the rearview mirror, or a "headsup display" like a F-14 fighter jet. That's high tech my friend

. If Ford was gonna go the "Track car look" route and take out power passenger seats and heated seats, they should have left nav out as an option too...nuff said bro

Still don't take this as a bashing, I respect the GT500...let's see what happens in the near future

maxpower5 · 11-15-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

He must of just woke up from a deep sleep.

info was only released yesterday.

HumanWiki · 11-15-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by maxpower5

info was only released today.

I think the jab there is that there are already several threads just flowing with oh so lovely commentary..

Shurenuff · 11-15-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by maxpower5

info was only released yesterday.

In terms of internet time, that's like 8 months ago. Appreciate the effort though.

maxpower5 · 11-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NicolasKL

Yeeeees, but there's already a 19 page thread on it.

wow, had no idea. im a little slow, unlike the new gt500, haha!

IcePick06 · 11-15-2011, 04:53 PM

One point that is very much fact is the TOP SPEED. The new GT500 (200mph) has a higher top speed than the ZL1 (184mph)...now I don't think much of that matters to the logical "sane" consumer because chances are we will never go over 160mph anyway, even on a road course (unless we travel to a EUROPEAN TRACK). But kudos to FORD, that must've been some serious aerodynamic testing they were doing along with the new motor!

11-15-2011, 04:39 PM	#453
obzidian Drives: 98 camaro turbo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: miami Posts: 293	the LSA is around there, probably around 12-13K. Don't quote me though. Guys, arguing about how reliable the engines are is not going to get you anywhere. They both hold power, one more reliably than the other, true, but that has nothing to do how the block is prepped. FORGED INTERNALS. The ford has everything forged, chevy doesn't. Pretty simple really. __________________ .....

11-15-2011, 04:39 PM	#454
maxpower5 Drives: 2010 Shelby GT500 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: peoria, il Posts: 425	13 GT500 this is a monster - highest hp production v8 ever made! here are the specs for all those that wanna see: http://www.stangnet.com/2011/11/14/2...500/#more-5481 look out zl1.....this is a good time to be alive! Cliffs: 5.8L-650Hp/600ft lbs TQ Electronically adjustable suspension Larger/More efficient cooling system Launch Control 6 piston Brembos (Front)/ larger rotors all around 3850lbs

11-15-2011, 04:41 PM	#455
Shurenuff Drives: 2002 Nissan Altima Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,048	Wow, thanks for the breaking news __________________ Factory Badassery

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IcePick06 Drives: '12 AGM ZL1 (SOLD); '07 Ducati 1098 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tha OCizzle Posts: 731	One point that is very much fact is the TOP SPEED. The new GT500 (200mph) has a higher top speed than the ZL1 (184mph)...now I don't think much of that matters to the logical "sane" consumer because chances are we will never go over 160mph anyway, even on a road course (unless we travel to a EUROPEAN TRACK). But kudos to FORD, that must've been some serious aerodynamic testing they were doing along with the new motor!