GM CATCH CAN Warranty Denial PETITION

[Tenring]

Originally Posted by Elite Engineering

The Magnasun/Moss act clearly states a manufacturer CANNOT write a warranty in such a way as to forbid the use of aftermarket parts or services no matter how the warranty may be written. This applies to everything from vacuum cleaners (they were telling customers they HAD to buy their own bags, belts instead of lower priced aftermarket ones) to automobiles, to homes.

The law also is clear that the manufacturer MUST provide proof the part/service/etc. directly caused the failure in question. We can provide all the technical data needed to win legally of the OP chose to pursue it, and we also provided the OP in the original thread contact to law firms that specialize in these cases.


The problem is so few even know of the law, and most will not fight the "giant". GM knows very well it is impossible for a properly designed and properly installed "catchcan" system to cause ANY damage, much less oil pump failure, but so few actually pursue legal remedy that GM and others count on intimidation causing the customer to not pursue their rights. A simple complaint to the FTC usually is all it takes, and that can be done at no cost.


Also, to address the post that a proper catchcan does little to benefit a port injection engine is false. There are examples all over of excessive oil consumption cases in GM LS engines were improved or cured once the halt of oil and other contaminants are not causing rings and groves to stick from the deposits formed, and also the reduction in Knock Retard due to the oil ingestion. The dual valve Elite systems give evacuation at all operating levels where the OEM PVC only evacuates at idle, cruise, and deceleration and any time the engine is accelerating or at WOT NO evacuation tales place, and the damaging combustion byproducts and other contaminates are allowed to settle and mix with the engine oil causing increased wear from the abrasive compounds.


I oil analysis performed on a engine w/out a Elite dual valve system w/cleanside separator done at the same change interval and then done after the installation of the dual valve system will show a lessor amount of wear causing contaminants as the oil remains cleaner longer. These contaminates most be removed before they have a chance to settle and are still in a suspended state. Once they settle and mix with the engine oil, they are there to stay, and most of the abrasive compound particles are far smaller then the 15 micron size the oil filter is able to trap so they are in the oil circulating accelerating wear.


App. 70% of all internal engine wear is caused by these particles smaller than 15 microns.


So even though a port injection engine has NO intake valve coking issues like all GDI engine do, there are many benefits.

That is good stuff right there!

Lately I have been thinking about Christmas though............................and I am pretty sure I will be buying Elite Catch Cans for my friends and family as stocking stuffers!

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by Superman09

The fight is not over. I know I said that in my last post, but that post was written at a time when I felt very much defeated. I was really hoping that once I reached some higher-ups things would get resolved and I would get my car fixed. When that didn't happen I really did not want to do anything but get my car back on the road. After some phone calls, and conversations with people who are far more versed in this type of situation than I, I have decided on a route to take. I don't really want to say yet what that route is. The gofundme is still closed, and will remain closed until I feel that I need assistance. I don't want to take people's hard earned money and then end up with a resolution that doesn't cost me anything. If I take people's money I want to make sure that I can show where the money is going and that I am not just using it as a fund to build my car. I appreciate people's generosity and willingness to help me with this, and if it gets to that I will let y'all know. For now keep the faith and be patient this may take awhile to get solved.

You are a class act Sir. Hope that 1LE is back on the road (and track) soon.

Could the rest of us not force this gentleman to log on and constantly have to answer and explain himself on 5 different threads here? Let's concentrate on helping him if we can and keep the mindless, baseless babble to a minimum. Let's respect the man's wishes to put this behind him and stop beating a dead horse.
And Mr. Stacy, I 'll buy you a white russian anytime. You're a good guy

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by gajagfan

First off, as I said before, I do not feel the OP's catch can is the cause of the oiling system/oil pump failure. I am also relatively certain that GM does not either. I do feel that they are in their legal rights though to not cover it due to this statement from the 2015 Warranty (found it online) that is part of a list of things that void the warranty:

Alteration, modification,
or tampering to the vehicle,
including, but not limited to the
body, chassis, powertrain,
driveline, software, or other
components after final assembly
by GM
.

Your blue bowtie goggles are forcing you to only post the parts of the warranty that keeps GM from being anything less than flat out wrong. If you have half a brain (and I feel you do) and take those goggles off, you'll read the entire warranty and understand why the OP has a case and is getting jammed in the bunghole by the man.

That fact that he doesn't wish to pursue it doesn't mean they where right in what they did.

It doesn't really matter at this point. The OP says he's done and just wants his car fixed. While I don't get it, I respect him for it.

Moral of the story, don't listen to any of these aftermarket company's sales pitches about not losing your warranty when buying their products or anyone else for that matter. Don't so much as hang an air freshener from you mirror if you are worried about your warranty because manufacturers are saying "f" you to people everyday no matter what MMA says.

[witenite]

Originally Posted by gzobian

You are a class act Sir. Hope that 1LE is back on the road (and track) soon.

Could the rest of us not force this gentleman to log on and constantly have to answer and explain himself on 5 different threads here? Let's concentrate on helping him if we can and keep the mindless, baseless babble to a minimum. Let's respect the man's wishes to put this behind him and stop beating a dead horse.
And Mr. Stacy, I 'll buy you a white russian anytime. You're a good guy

Couldn't agree more! Well said down to every last word!

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by dotbowels

The warranty is pretty clear on this. GM $500. Or $1000 won't get you an attorney with the ability to beat GM

GOFUNDMEs are for tragedies not something like this. Dorothy

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by gzobian

You are a class act Sir. Hope that 1LE is back on the road (and track) soon.

Could the rest of us not force this gentleman to log on and constantly have to answer and explain himself on 5 different threads here? Let's concentrate on helping him if we can and keep the mindless, baseless babble to a minimum. Let's respect the man's wishes to put this behind him and stop beating a dead horse.
And Mr. Stacy, I 'll buy you a white russian anytime. You're a good guy

Why thank you. Thank you very much.

John is a stand up guy. If this Country had more people who got off their asses, got up, and worked their asses off every fricken day, to support themselves and their loved ones, we'd all live in a better world.

And I'd do the same for most here... One thing I cannot stand is to see the 99% getting screwed by the 1%. There is still some consumer protections out there... but unfortunately, when a company like GM stoops to this level, and don't EVEN try to tell me they are not aware... it's kind of a harbinger of death... for the company.

Nobody get's this riled up without good reason, and GM needs to see the big picture if they hope to survive. I have been in business (guitars, not cars) a long time and you simply cannot treat your customers like this. They can and will and do, go somewhere else.

I love my Camaro, but aside from a Volt, it's the ONLY GM vehicle I have seriously looked at... in about 30 years. My first car was a '66 Coup-de-Ville and I had a '73 Monte Carlo (yes, with the 454) but that's it, save for a Storm GSI in the 90's.

Remember, Ford didn't need a bail-out, and honestly Ford seems a LOT more friendly... That's my impression. I had a Dodge Dakota and the Dodge service manager became a friend. Even went to bat to get me new rotors from Chrysler when mine warped out of warranty.

I like friendly auto companies who don't look for ways to screw over their customers.

[Moto-Mojo]

I'll second not forcing Superman to explain himself... even though I was one of the culprits causing it. That's sound advice.

This whole thing has spooked me and taken some of the fun out of owning (leasing) a Camaro. The oil pressure gauge is somewhat obscured from where I sit. Now I'm watching the SOB every time I drive it. And one CAI mod that I initially thought was pretty innocuous has now become a boogie man for even something like an oil change.

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

I'll second not forcing Superman to explain himself... even though I was one of the culprits causing it. That's sound advice.

This whole thing has spooked me and taken some of the fun out of owning (leasing) a Camaro. The oil pressure gauge is somewhat obscured from where I sit. Now I'm watching the SOB every time I drive it. And one CAI mod that I initially thought was pretty innocuous has now become a boogie man for even something like an oil change.

Funny you say that, the few times I've driven the car in the last couple of weeks, I find myself checking oil pressure like a hawk. Even have my co-pilot (the wife) looking at it when I get distracted with the occasional Mustang or Challenger pulling up next to me at a light.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by Superman09

The fight is not over. I know I said that in my last post, but that post was written at a time when I felt very much defeated. I was really hoping that once I reached some higher-ups things would get resolved and I would get my car fixed. When that didn't happen I really did not want to do anything but get my car back on the road. After some phone calls, and conversations with people who are far more versed in this type of situation than I, I have decided on a route to take. I don't really want to say yet what that route is. The gofundme is still closed, and will remain closed until I feel that I need assistance. I don't want to take people's hard earned money and then end up with a resolution that doesn't cost me anything. If I take people's money I want to make sure that I can show where those money is going and that I am not just using it as a fund to build my car. I appreciate people's generosity and willingness to help me with this, and if it gets to that I will let y'all know. For now keep the faith and be patient this may take awhile to get solved.

Many jackasses would take the money and exploit the situation. Look at some of the freeloading sacks of sh*t on GoFundMe.com. Keep us all posted! Good luck with all of this. The C5 crew is right behind you!

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Your blue bowtie goggles are forcing you to only post the parts of the warranty that keeps GM from being anything less than flat out wrong. If you have half a brain (and I feel you do) and take those goggles off, you'll read the entire warranty and understand why the OP has a case and is getting jammed in the bunghole by the man.

That fact that he doesn't wish to pursue it doesn't mean they where right in what they did.

It doesn't really matter at this point. The OP says he's done and just wants his car fixed. While I don't get it, I respect him for it.

Moral of the story, don't listen to any of these aftermarket company's sales pitches about not losing your warranty when buying their products or anyone else for that matter. Don't so much as hang an air freshener from you mirror if you are worried about your warranty because manufacturers are saying "f" you to people everyday no matter what MMA says.

I don't even own goggles, but I do wear glasses a times. MMA does not reference aftermarket modifications anywhere in it that I can find. That's what we are talking about here. Note OEM replacement, but OEM modification. You seem to have found that part, so please post it. I am going to take the time to read the warranty again, but I it really does not much matter what I find with that verbiage I have already posted. If you know what part contradicts it, and you have half a brain (which I also believe you do), then post it and make your point.

PS: For what it's worth, I must not have half a brain because I did not see anything that overrides that comment I already listed. I do think your OK with your air freshener though, as long as it is not a 10 lb weight or something! Oh, Ford has the same type of language in their 2015 warranty. I also respect the OP for his decision. These matters take time, and he may simply not have it for one reason or another.

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by gzobian

Funny you say that, the few times I've driven the car in the last couple of weeks, I find myself checking oil pressure like a hawk. Even have my co-pilot (the wife) looking at it when I get distracted with the occasional Mustang or Challenger pulling up next to me at a light.

Ha! The double whammy - oil pump fails while sparring with a Mustang from light to light and GM denies warranty because they found an internet search for catch cans on your cell phone!

[CCMADONNA]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

Ha! The double whammy - oil pump fails while sparring with a Mustang from light to light and GM denies warranty because they found an internet search for catch cans on your cell phone!

it would be funny if it wasn't true.

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by CCMADONNA

it would be funny if it wasn't true.

Damn right it's true. GM wanted to do a colonoscopy on me last time I took my Traverse in for a lug nut cover that had fallen off. They wanted to make sure I wasn't hiding it from them.

Take off your foil caps folks. No conspiracy here. Just a company protecting itself and enforcing their rules. Do I think an oil catch can was the problem? NO. Did the OP have an idiot for a dealer? YES. Will I stop buying GM? NO. I'm going to buy far inferior quality cars from its competitors in my price range just to stick it to GM? No thanks. A Tahoe, 3 Traverses, 2 CTSs and 2 Camaros since 2008. 0 problems. I'll stick with what I know.

[Nor Cal ZL1]

Originally Posted by gzobian

Damn right it's true. GM wanted to do a colonoscopy on me last time I took my Traverse in for a lug nut cover that had fallen off. They wanted to make sure I wasn't hiding it from them.

Take off your foil caps folks. No conspiracy here. Just a company protecting itself and enforcing their rules. Do I think an oil catch can was the problem? NO. Did the OP have an idiot for a dealer? YES. Will I stop buying GM? NO. I'm going to buy far inferior quality cars from its competitors in my price range just to stick it to GM? No thanks. A Tahoe, 3 Traverses, 2 CTSs and 2 Camaros since 2008. 0 problems. I'll stick with what I know.

If anything a tin foil hat will surely void the electronics warranty of the car.