Mustangs................

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

it's not really meant to. The corvettes are the performance bars for sure since there are no pony cars in the vicinity, but they aren't built to necessarily compete with them. It's a unique car with a niche all to itself and, on top of that, the undesputed king of the pony cars.

And with the shape GM is in, you probably won't see a GT500 competitor from the Camaro brand. You know the Camaro engineers are chomping at the bit for the Z28 GT500 competitor but the bean counters undoubtedly say no.

[Ninjak]

The Vette is in a class by itself. I will admit that. The Mustang was never meant to compete with it. Even the in the 60's the vette was a classic sophisticated sports car, were the mustang was your average guy's pony/muscle car. They have never been in the same league

The SS is a nice car, but heck GM has had what 12 years or so to get it right ? Still the GT is right there in performance even with a weaker engine. Its not that we are hanging our hats on the GT500, I will gladly hang mines on my 08 GT. As close as the cars are mods will make the difference..and who's behind the wheel.

[levi1922]

so, if we campare all cars by price, gm stops ford into the ground, with out a question.
V6 mustang dies at the hands of the V6 camaro.
Gt mustang eats the SS's dust
GT500 is eaten by the corvette
and now for the kicker....
the GT500KR that i saw in the dealership today..had a price tag of 104,000
um, zr1 much?
GT500KR, gets killed, raped, then eaten by the ZR1.

and im not saying that this is how ford wanted the cars compared...but based on price, its how it happens.

and yeah 104k for a mustang. i would take a ZR1, which is a super car performance wise, over a mustang.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by levi1922

so, if we campare all cars by price, gm stops ford into the ground, with out a question.
V6 mustang dies at the hands of the V6 camaro.
Gt mustang eats the SS's dust
GT500 is eaten by the corvette
and now for the kicker....
the GT500KR that i saw in the dealership today..had a price tag of 104,000
um, zr1 much?
GT500KR, gets killed, raped, then eaten by the ZR1.

and im not saying that this is how ford wanted the cars compared...but based on price, its how it happens.

and yeah 104k for a mustang. i would take a ZR1, which is a super car performance wise, over a mustang.

That's not the KR's sticker price so don't compare in that manner. It's not as if the ZR1 isn't marked up pretty much everywhere.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by levi1922

so, if we campare all cars by price, gm stops ford into the ground, with out a question.

Yeah, I would say that about sums it up. Too bad they are having so much trouble translating that domination over to the financial side of their business.

Originally Posted by levi1922

and yeah 104k for a mustang. i would take a ZR1, which is a super car performance wise, over a mustang.

I challenge you to find one sane person who would disagree with you.

[GM-REX]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

bro your acting like the Mustang GT is so much slower if you call it that then the 2010 Camaro SS last time I checked there times were .2 seconds different and what your car has 111 more hp?

Price wise this is a good comparison by R&T:
GT
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...stangGT_dp.pdf

SS
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...amaroSS_dp.pdf



And your FRPP Mustang GT with 400HP and 400lb-ft torque (so now we're closer when it comes to power) ran a 13.4 1/4mi at 108mph per R&T (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7635). And let's note that these parts total to a little over $10K. You still have a warranty from Ford. It's more $$$ than a Camaro and still slower. Note that everyone is going to come up with different times due to many variables, but I like R&T tests and all this info came from R&T not 10 different sources.

[vega$]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Yeah, I would say that about sums it up. Too bad they are having so much trouble translating that domination over to the financial side of their business.

I challenge you to find one sane person who would disagree with you.

Yeah I agree.. but just because Ford hasnt used bailout money yet, doesnt mean they arent struggling. From what I heard in march sales were down almost 50% from the previous year. Sad all of them are struggling.

I challenge you to find one sane person who would give a reason in buying the GT500kr..

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by vega$

Yeah I agree.. but just because Ford hasnt used bailout money yet, doesnt mean they arent struggling. From what I heard in march sales were down almost 50% from the previous year. Sad all of them are struggling.

I challenge you to find one sane person who would give a reason in buying the GT500kr..

Someone who has zero money issues or someone who collects cars. That's about it I would think.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by vega$

I challenge you to find one sane person who would give a reason in buying the GT500kr..

I'll give you some reasons why some people might not have a problem buying a GT500KR.

1. They only made 1571 of them and will never make any more. That means they will always be a rare car. Rare cars tend to increase in value over time versus their not-so-rare counterparts.

2. The are Shelby cars. Whether you agree or not, Carroll Shelby is an American automotive icon. Anything bearing his name will have a value now and in the future.

3. They feature parts on them that are not available to buy unless you actually have a KR. Sure, you can buy a Mustang GT or GT500 and make it look almost like a KR, but it will never be a KR.

4. And this is the most important thing to remember. Back in 1968, a GT500KR would cost you about $4,500. That was about 60% more than you would pay for a 1968 Mustang GT Fastback and you know what people then said about it? You would have to be rich or stupid to buy one at that price for when there were better performance cars available for that amount of money or less.


All that being said, I would not pay MSRP for one.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by levi1922

so, if we campare all cars by price, gm stops ford into the ground, with out a question.
V6 mustang dies at the hands of the V6 camaro.
Gt mustang eats the SS's dust
GT500 is eaten by the corvette
and now for the kicker....
the GT500KR that i saw in the dealership today..had a price tag of 104,000
um, zr1 much?
GT500KR, gets killed, raped, then eaten by the ZR1.

and im not saying that this is how ford wanted the cars compared...but based on price, its how it happens.

and yeah 104k for a mustang. i would take a ZR1, which is a super car performance wise, over a mustang.

last I saw, the mustang gt is a good deal cheaper than an SS. And people don't compare by price when searching for a car initially, they compare by function. They don't think "well, since I'm looking at spending 35k, then I guess I better go look at a honda pilot, camaro SS, etc. etc."

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by GM-REX

Price wise this is a good comparison by R&T:
GT
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...stangGT_dp.pdf

SS
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...amaroSS_dp.pdf



And your FRPP Mustang GT with 400HP and 400lb-ft torque (so now we're closer when it comes to power) ran a 13.4 1/4mi at 108mph per R&T (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7635). And let's note that these parts total to a little over $10K. You still have a warranty from Ford. It's more $$$ than a Camaro and still slower. Note that everyone is going to come up with different times due to many variables, but I like R&T tests and all this info came from R&T not 10 different sources.

do you honestly believe that with 400hp in that frpp gt that it really runs 13.4 meanwhile stock gt's run 13.5 all day with their 300hp.
Get real bro YOU KNOW thats a slow run. dont take that as a real base number that all those 400hp stangs should run because you will be majorly dissapointed when you see what they can do.
Of course you like R&T tests that is the slowest number you could find lmao gotta love dumpster diving for numbers.

Example for you: This gt runs 12.6 with these mods...

Steeda UDP, Pypes off-road H-pipe, C&L CAI, Bamachips 93 octane tune, 4.10 gears

thats like maybe 310-315 to the wheels





400hp is not going to really run 13.4 if you believe that i got a bridge i can sell you.

[levi1922]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

last I saw, the mustang gt is a good deal cheaper than an SS. And people don't compare by price when searching for a car initially, they compare by function. They don't think "well, since I'm looking at spending 35k, then I guess I better go look at a honda pilot, camaro SS, etc. etc."

oh, your right, when i decided i wanted a coupe car,
i thought, should i get a 599, f430, gallardo, 911 gt2, grandturismo s, honda civic, cobalt, audi tt, camaro, challenger, corvette, mustang, ect ect.

so no one thinks about price? right. the cars i compared, were all sports coupes. so, function AND price were considered in the comparison that i made. thanks.

and, a mustang GT is $27,995. camaro SS 31,040
3,000 difference. when you are spending that much, 3,000 is not that much of a deal breaker.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

last I saw, the mustang gt is a good deal cheaper than an SS. And people don't compare by price when searching for a car initially, they compare by function. They don't think "well, since I'm looking at spending 35k, then I guess I better go look at a honda pilot, camaro SS, etc. etc."

Yeah, but they generally shop by segment and price range. I know that all three of the cars are in my price range and I cross-shopped them all because they're in the segment I'm looking at. Price definitely is a factor but I think people generally are looking at a price range within a segment.

I don't know about a good deal cheaper, the GT I just "configured" came in at $38,449 CAD without me adding any options to the car. The 1SS came in at $38,395 CAD without any additional options. The GT didn't have the track package so it wouldn't really be a fair comparison BUT the GT did have leather seats, the 1SS not so much. The 1SS had bigger tires and a 6 speed, unfortunately the Mustang only has a 5 speed (not that it really needs a 6 speed, but dammit do I want one).

I'm not sure how it changes when they're both in US funds, but this is how it is for us Canadians.

[Georgie]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Yeah, but they generally shop by segment and price range. I know that all three of the cars are in my price range and I cross-shopped them all because they're in the segment I'm looking at. Price definitely is a factor but I think people generally are looking at a price range within a segment.

I don't know about a good deal cheaper, the GT I just "configured" came in at $38,449 CAD without me adding any options to the car. The 1SS came in at $38,395 CAD without any additional options. The GT didn't have the track package so it wouldn't really be a fair comparison BUT the GT did have leather seats, the 1SS not so much. The 1SS had bigger tires and a 6 speed, unfortunately the Mustang only has a 5 speed (not that it really needs a 6 speed, but dammit do I want one).

I'm not sure how it changes when they're both in US funds, but this is how it is for us Canadians.

yeah there is about a 2K difference between base GT and 1SS. the base GT is called "deluxe"