Tuner will VOID warranty

[radz28]

Originally Posted by tom692010

I do agree but like I mentioned before some place else. If GM were a little less restrictive in thier warrenty maybe people wouldn't feel the need to try and get over. You losses the whole powertrain warrenty if you do a modifcation,come on! I don't think that either side is being reasonable.
Just my opinion.

While I have had my share of complications with GM warranty, I do agree, partially, with this. However, when you start messin' 'round with the tune, the result can affect more than just the engine. If you pull the TM, you're putting the rest of the drivetrain at risk, like the tranny and rear end. It's one thing to add a CAI and or shorties and CB, but once you get in the tune, you can control most everything, and there are controls put in place from keeping the car from killing itself. There's a fine line between enjoying and abusing a car. Why shouldn't GM play it safe, while still giving world-class performance?

[themossman]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

I'm under no legal obligation to inform GM how to do their job, if my engine blows, and they decide to replace it under warranty.. I am not required to say--- Oh by the way-- I've tuned the car before...

LOL...good luck in court. Have you ever heard the term 'attempt to defraud'?

[SA CHEVY]

I honestly can't believe this thread lives on...

This whole thread is a train wreck!! You don't want to look but at the same time you can't look away...

I suppose I'll still keep following in the shadows and hearing both sides of the story...

Good luck all!

[Unique Auto Depot]

[jrc1122]

Originally Posted by themossman

LOL...good luck in court. Have you ever heard the term 'attempt to defraud'?

So am I defrauding the government everytime I speed and then don't immediately rush to the police department and inform them of my actions?

The other night I ordered 18 traditional buffalo wings spun in extra medium sauce from Buffalo Wild Wings. I ordered it to go. I also requested 2 ranches and 2 celery orders..

When I got home and opened the bag, I realized they they gave me
18 medium wings AND!!!! 12 Caribbean Jerk wings.

I did the unthinkable guys, we ate the extra wings... Did I attempt to defraud BWW? No!. Let's be real here..... lol.... They made a mistake.. and by the way-- the 12 extra wings were worth more,, but they also didn't give me my celery or ranch.. not to mention the gas and time it would have taken to go back and have them make the order right.
So I may have benefited from their mistake, but I wasn't attempting to defraud them.

Just like if I tune my car back to stock (because I am required to do that in order for my tuner to remain usable)---- I'm not obligated to explain to them I had it tuned.

If they inform me they know I tuned the car, that is a different story, if I continue to deny it.. But to remove the tune isn't fraudulent.

[radz28]

OK - let's get back on topic. We aren't going to discuss the morality of this. Let's get down to brass tacks and stay there. If anyone has information they can post and share with us regarding whether-or-not GM can see the tune, post it up. Otherwise, keep the rest of the comments out. There isn't going to be a winner, and only more bickering, and that's not the topic of this thread.

[jrc1122]

My window tint is illegal--- If I get stopped for speeding, and they don't write me a ticket for my window tint,, am I legally required to inform them that my window tint is too dark according to state law.

You see the officer saw my car, he had the chance to fine me for the windows, but he didn't even mention it? Am I "attempting to defraud the government", because I didn't mention it to them?

Cop= GM ... Window tint = tune.

I ordered a 5 piece chicken nugget from Wendy's awhile back... They gave me 6 by accident. I didn't pay for 6. I guess I was being fraudulent there as well.

Wendy's = GM
Extra Nugget = Tune

I gained financially by not pointing out the cops mistake and Wendy's Mistake. So if that isn't fraud I don't know what is.... lol..

[jrc1122]

oops - I typed the above before the stay on topic post...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

oops - I typed the above before the stay on topic post...

I figured. That post took longer than the one I did at just a minute later. Thanks for noticing

[Dr Jkel]

I have a crazy question, How much power can you get out of a LS3 before it blows up. The reason I ask is simple and goes back to the point of a tune. I am a NOVICE at this and understand that most of what we are talking about is computer controlled, right? In the "Old" days when we " tuned " a car we changed needles, carb's and adjusted the timing, of course added bolt ons like headers etc....

It seems to me, the NOVICE, that there may be a lot of hidden power in the motor and GM restricts such power for a variety of reason, longevity, dependability, reliablity, EPA rules, you name it.

MOST people on here are like me, wanting a slight increase in HP, not 700 hp, a better sound or whatever the reason and are wanting some assurance that these mods will not tear up their cars.

Funny thing I noticed at CF5, most people were in the late 30 or early 40's and the ones I talked with wanted to achieve the old muscle car sound of years past. Of course there are exceptions to every rule and some wanted as much HP as they can get. Those type people understand the ramifications of their desires.

So if you tune a car with these tuners and are not adding 300 hp and you gains from a tune and bolt ons are 150 or less, does it really matter about a tune.

Again Novice here but it seems like most "Tuners" are on the up and up and really aren't going to TUNE your car so lean that it hurts it, or too rich where it won't run and fuel economy is so bad that they would jepoardise their lively hood.

I'll use on Vendor from here that I met at C5F, Ted Jannetty. He seems to be genuine and a very knowledgeable man. He has conducted tests of products without an axe to grind and posted results. He seems reputable. Another Vendor ww'll call X, doesn't return calls, is wishy washy when asked questions, seems to try and out slick you, fast talker etc.... Now who would you buy from and trust to work on your car.

My point is this alot is being put on GM and vendors, some of the responsibility goes to the owner of the car, really alot goes on the owner. I will end by saying this from a Newbie standpoint. Anyone can make a claim, it just depends on if YOU believe them.

I have a mint condition 1967 Camaro with 1500 original miles I will sell for 10000.00. DO you believe me?????

[GaryTucker]

Originally Posted by radz282003

OK - let's get back on topic. We aren't going to discuss the morality of this. Let's get down to brass tacks and stay there. If anyone has information they can post and share with us regarding whether-or-not GM can see the tune, post it up. Otherwise, keep the rest of the comments out. There isn't going to be a winner, and only more bickering, and that's not the topic of this thread.

See the stickies at the top of this forum section...and make your own judgment. That is truly where "the rubber meets the road"...do you want to take the risk or not financially. GM will tell you they can see the tunes, some tuners here will tell you they can't be detected...Honestly, I choose to believe that they are both speaking SOME truth...but which part of their statements is true is left to conjecture.

As an owner you must make a financial decision with every modification as far as your warranty for the affected area is concerned.

[themossman]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

So am I defrauding the government everytime I speed and then don't immediately rush to the police department and inform them of my actions?

The other night I ordered 18 traditional buffalo wings spun in extra medium sauce from Buffalo Wild Wings. I ordered it to go. I also requested 2 ranches and 2 celery orders..

When I got home and opened the bag, I realized they they gave me
18 medium wings AND!!!! 12 Caribbean Jerk wings.

I did the unthinkable guys, we ate the extra wings... Did I attempt to defraud BWW? No!. Let's be real here..... lol.... They made a mistake.. and by the way-- the 12 extra wings were worth more,, but they also didn't give me my celery or ranch.. not to mention the gas and time it would have taken to go back and have them make the order right.
So I may have benefited from their mistake, but I wasn't attempting to defraud them.

Just like if I tune my car back to stock (because I am required to do that in order for my tuner to remain usable)---- I'm not obligated to explain to them I had it tuned.

If they inform me they know I tuned the car, that is a different story, if I continue to deny it.. But to remove the tune isn't fraudulent.

nice red herrings.

If you experience a failure related to a tune, put the stock tune back in, take it to the dealer and say 'I don't know what happened, it just broke'. That is attempt to defraud.

It has nothing to do with speeding or chicken wings.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by themossman

nice red herrings.

If you experience a failure related to a tune, put the stock tune back in, take it to the dealer and say 'I don't know what happened, it just broke'. That is attempt to defraud.

It has nothing to do with speeding or chicken wings.

you read my mind before I could respond

[jrc1122]

Originally Posted by themossman

nice red herrings.

If you experience a failure related to a tune, put the stock tune back in, take it to the dealer and say 'I don't know what happened, it just broke'. That is attempt to defraud.

It has nothing to do with speeding or chicken wings.

I'm not a trained GM/ auto technician.. How am I suppose to know the tune caused whatever failure I went in for... (Chances are it actually didn't) with the huge positive record that superchips tuners have without issue.

You guys seem to automatically assume that if you have a problem and you have a tune-- that the tune is the problem. I assume that it isn't the tune causing the problem.. If GM proves a non GM tune CAUSED the damage. Then I will pay.

PS Those are analogies not not a red herrings.
Principle is the same
If GM did the work under warranty-- and you guys swear they can tell if your car has been tuned before-- then I can only assume that they determined that the tune (THAT THEY EVIDENTLY CAN AND WILL SEE) didn't cause the problem, otherwise they wouldn't do the work for free (under warranty)

Just like the Cop- not checking my window tint--- I assume that cops are trained to detect illegal activity, if they see the illegal tint and don't say anything.. I am assuming they are not concerned with my tint.. It isn't my responsibility to ask the cop for a ticket for my tint.

IF GM has the technology to determine if my car has been tuned before, and they choose not to void it,, why should I request it be voided by pointing it out.