The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[fazm]

Originally Posted by squatin0n18s

haha sooooo confident are we?

since i went 12.03 @ 118.5 and hes running 13s, ya im confident lol.

[squatin0n18s]

Originally Posted by fazm

since i went 12.03 @ 118.5 and hes running 13s, ya im confident lol.

.....but he's stock right? and if you have a 500hp v6 stang, i doubt you are stock....so not much to brag about ya i'd hope you'd beat him you're probably lighter and pushing more horses...

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Looks like the 'stang is a speck faster, but as others have said; driver's race.

In a straight line, that is.

Put 'em on a road course, and it's over: the Mustang will CRUSH the SS and leave it for dead. The whole weight/handling issue will render it a non-competition.

Sadly.

SS is in dire need of a track pack.

didnt you say that about the 2010 stang, and a lot of other cars like sti, evo and 370z???
your on a FAIL spree with your predictions

[Mark@PSR]

For the most part it's a drivers race, although I think the mustang has the advantage in a straight line. (weight, tires, and gears)

If the Camaro's suspension is anything like the 09 CTS-V then the mustang will have a hard time beating it through the twisties. GM has come miles from where they used to be with their suspensions...I'm a huge fan of them now though.

[MADBOWTIE]

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[Unfair]

Originally Posted by MADBOWTIE

Are you going to wear your cheerleader skirt and pom poms and do a little cheer when you out run him..........V6 mustang ??? teenage girl??? if the shoe fits

It would suck if an actual teenage girl with a skirt and pom poms does beat you in your car lol

[MADBOWTIE]

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[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Chief Blackhawk

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One more time -- The 5th Gen is a well engineered automobile and in complete OE trim is a terrific performance car that does not NEED a chassis brace or any other aftermarket products to be a world class performance car. GM and Chevy have already proved that at the Ring. Period. End of story."
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To which you replied




A. you ran your mouth without fact checking.

B. Right after someone says the camaro is a well built car you throw out the cobalt comment.

It was a weak attempt to troll. I see you mustang guys get away with garbage here that doesnt fly on other GM/Chevy sites. Thats probably why you guys stay here. Try you comments on tech, see how far that gets you.

the fact that the camaro beat the 260hp FWD cobalt by only 2 seconds in the Nurburgring means that if it wasnt for the "Döttinger Höhe" (straightaway that is 3 Km long), the camaro would in fact LOSE to the cobalt on the road course.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

the fact that the camaro beat the 260hp FWD cobalt by only 2 seconds in the Nurburgring means that if it wasnt for the "Döttinger Höhe" (straightaway that is 3 Km long), the camaro would in fact LOSE to the cobalt on the road course.

I think it's more about how impressive the Cobalt SS did, rather than how well the Camaro did. By all accounts, the Camaro SS time is pretty darn impressive and for the Cobalt SS to be within 2 seconds is pretty darn impressive. Was the Cobalt stock?

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

the fact that the camaro beat the 260hp FWD cobalt by only 2 seconds in the Nurburgring means that if it wasnt for the "Döttinger Höhe" (straightaway that is 3 Km long), the camaro would in fact LOSE to the cobalt on the road course.

Camaro guys motto: "There's no replacement for displacement".

Mustang troll motto: "There's no replacement for debasement".

'Nuff said.

[fielderLS3]

To start, I just want everyone to know that I'm not a fanboy of either the Mustang or Camaro, and am currently going through the hard process of deciding whether to order a 2011 Camaro SS or a 2011 Mustang 5.0 (I've been leaning toward the Camaro for quite some time, but don't want to make the final decision until I've driven a 5.0).

Anyway, over the weekend, my local Ford dealer got in his first 2011 Mustang (a V-6 model), and let me take it out for a drive. This is a bit long, but I figured I'd post my first impressions of the car from my drive for anyone who might be interested in hearing about the car from someone who isn't a car magazine editor, and someone who isn't biased toward one brand or another. Again, this is the V6 model, not the 5.0.

Driving:

The first thing you notice in the Mustang compared to the Camaro is size. The Mustang feels much smaller than the Camaro, and feels much more nimble when driving in traffic around town, and when pushing the car through tight corners on narrow back roads. Both Mustang and Camaro stick like glue in the turns, but the Mustang feels a little bit more sporty (at least in terms of grip, more on that coming further down).

Engine:

The car only had 10 miles on it, so I didn't want to push it too hard. However, at half throttle, and about 3000-4000 RPM the 3.7L feels strong, and the car is noticeably quick. 80mph came quickly and easily. The engine is much smoother than the outgoing 4.0L (my brother owns a 4L mustang, and I actually mistook the sound for the diesel engine of a garbage truck one day when he pulled into the driveway). The exhaust note is interesting, almost like two exhaust systems in one. At low RPMs, it has the typical drole sound of a traditional American V6. Above 3000 rpm or so, it takes on more of a tuner car sound similar to the V6 Camaro.

Styling:

I wasn't much of a fan of the 2010 Mustang redesign. It is very slowly growing on me, but only a little. I like the looks/profile of it from the front. While the sequntial taillights are cool, overall, the back just doesn't look quite right. The 2011 still has the ring of plastic body cladding running all the way around the bottom. It blends into the Kona blue color I drove, but but in other colors, it is very noticeable, particularly from the back (it almost looks like the designer of the original Avalanche had a hand in the design). So, I'd have to say the styling of the Camaro is much better, particularly from behind. At least to me, the Camaro has better lines, a cleaner, more muscular look (particularly from the back), and looks good in almost any color, while the Mustang does not.

Gripes:

Overall, the Mustang seems to be a decent car, but there are two major gripes. First, the automatic transmission attached to the V6 is garbage. Painfully obvious how they got 31 mpg from the EPA (and 29 out of the manual). No one would shift their own car where this transmission shifts. Even when trying to accelerate, the tranny dives into the next gear very early, leaving the engine at about 1100 rpm after the shift. With the standard rear axle ratio, top gear is about as tall if not taller than 6th in the Camaro SS manual, but without the LS3 torque, the V6 Mustang is constantly bogged down. The transmission is reluctant to downshift. When you step into it, the transmission is slow to react, and when it finally does downshift, it doesn't quite seem to know which gear to go to. There is limited manual selectablity (Just a P-R-N-D-3-2-1 gate, no manual mode). I know I sound like I'm rambling, but this tranny is just that bad to the point that it was the most memorable part of the drive. If I had to sum up the whole car/drive with just one sentence, it would be "I would never buy that automatic."

The other grip is the steering. Despite what every car mag has said, Ford has not fully worked out the "feel" issue with the electric power steering. It really isn't that bad (the feel is actually close to the Camaro's), but it is nowhere near as good as the old Mustang (steering has traditionally been a Ford strong point, an advantage they have lost with the 2011). So, like the auto transmission, you can include steering feel on the list of driving fun sacrifices Ford has made at the alter of EPA ratings.

Overall, it was a pretty good sports car. It would have been much more fun to drive with a manual. I'm still leaning toward the Camaro since the Ford felt like it made more engineering compromises, but hope to drive a 5.0 before making the final decision. Interestingly, Ford must not be as backed up on orders as they are claiming, because the dealer offered almost $3000 off sticker on an order out after the test drive, bringing the final price in much lower than the Camaro.

[2010 SSRS]

make the right choice

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Shame to hear about that transmission on such a good V6. I'm really surprised by that markdown.

[ron10]

you will make the right choice.