FenwickHockey65's Great Thread of GM Knowledge - Page 399 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Martinjlm · 07-26-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

See that example there I see that as handicapping Chevrolet but not being able to offer features.

But does Chevrolet need a Volvo or Jaguar level stereo system? Will customers pay extra for that? Buick does and the customers they are targeting will.

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Originally Posted by shaffe

So FWD is more efficient? I guess I would just think RWD would be more efficient because it seems simpler but what do i know lol

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Originally Posted by rocket403

Only Reason that FWD was more efficient was smaller cars and engines then when FWD cars got bigger they had to find ways to keep it efficient, then when the platforms got to big back to RWD lol

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Originally Posted by chvyman

it takes more power to change the direction of rotation in the powertrain. rwd makes a 90 turn at the diff., fwd rotates in the same direction.

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Originally Posted by JerTM

Not to mention the extra weight of the rear differential housing, driveline, and components necessary to make it RWD. A lot of weight is lost when the differential is housed inside the transmission.

And let’s not forget the prop shaft running most of the length of the car. One heavy chunk-o-metal.

CamaroFan63 · 07-26-2018, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

My first new car was this 84 Monte SS that I scraped to buy at age 21. I always felt that when GM went FWD in 88 that their cars lost an American identity. With nothing special to differentiate GM's cars, there was no reason not to buy imports that were better.

I personally stayed RWD with Camaro/Firebird/GTO but my family cars changed to Honda

Nice '84 Monte SS

i was 21 almost 22 in May '85 when i bought a new '85 Monte SS. I wondered in 1989 wtf was G.M. thinking. when they canned the Monte and the other Rwd midsize for Fwd.

If you look at today's offerings the only two door cars are the Corvette and Camaro hmmm, guess i am ole' school.

JerTM · 07-27-2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

But does Chevrolet need a Volvo or Jaguar level stereo system? Will customers pay extra for that? Buick does and the customers they are targeting will.

I'm pretty impressed with pretty much all of GM's factory option radios anymore as far as sound goes. Believe it or not, one of the best sounding stereos I've had was in either of my Cruzes.

FenwickHockey65 · 07-31-2018, 06:37 PM

https://media.buick.com/media/us/en/...31-avenir.html

Regal Avenir.

Royal Tiger · 07-31-2018, 07:50 PM

GM has a long history of “watering down” iconic trim designations and design cues. One only needs to look up Cobalt SS and how can you forget the first ZR-1 Corvette with the squared off circle taillights that told everyone this was something special, only to see them on base models the next year or one after. To this end, I have to go with Jim in that they NEED Buick, because if they loaded up a Chevy, they’d make it look just like one costing half as much.

rocket403 · 08-01-2018, 09:14 AM

GM has turned Buick into a wasteland, it is really to bad when you think of the GSX, GN/T-Type, Wildcat, Rivera GS. Like this article talks about Buick is Zombie like.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...uick-must-die/

SecondZ28 · 08-01-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

GM has a long history of “watering down” iconic trim designations and design cues. One only needs to look up Cobalt SS and how can you forget the first ZR-1 Corvette with the squared off circle taillights that told everyone this was something special, only to see them on base models the next year or one after.

Yep, the LT5 debuted for '90 MY and the base L98 got the square tails for '91 MY

FenwickHockey65 · 08-01-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

GM has turned Buick into a wasteland, it is really to bad when you think of the GSX, GN/T-Type, Wildcat, Rivera GS. Like this article talks about Buick is Zombie like.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...uick-must-die/

GM's response:

https://youtu.be/7oIHsggEQuk?t=26s

Martinjlm · 08-01-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

GM's response:

https://youtu.be/7oIHsggEQuk?t=26s

xc_SS/RS · 08-01-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

GM has a long history of “watering down” iconic trim designations and design cues. One only needs to look up Cobalt SS and how can you forget the first ZR-1 Corvette with the squared off circle taillights that told everyone this was something special, only to see them on base models the next year or one after. To this end, I have to go with Jim in that they NEED Buick, because if they loaded up a Chevy, they’d make it look just like one costing half as much.

The Cobalt SS, at least in turbocharged form, was comparable to an Evo 10 around a track. I wouldn't exactly call that watered down, but thats just me.

The tail light thing doesn't bother me too much... but i was a fan of the pop-up headlights and was a little sad to see them go lol

JhonnyGTR · 08-01-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

GM's response:

https://youtu.be/7oIHsggEQuk?t=26s

*DGthe3* · 08-01-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

GM has a long history of “watering down” iconic trim designations and design cues. One only needs to look up Cobalt SS and how can you forget the first ZR-1 Corvette with the squared off circle taillights that told everyone this was something special, only to see them on base models the next year or one after. To this end, I have to go with Jim in that they NEED Buick, because if they loaded up a Chevy, they’d make it look just like one costing half as much.

Cobalt SS earned the badge ... eventually. The original ones with the supercharged engine were decent performers, but not particularly impressive. The later turbocharged ones were as good as you could get in that type of car.

The Malibu Maxx SS on the other hand ...

Royal Tiger · 08-01-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Cobalt SS earned the badge ... eventually. The original ones with the supercharged engine were decent performers, but not particularly impressive. The later turbocharged ones were as good as you could get in that type of car.

The Malibu Maxx SS on the other hand ...

Thanks DG for the better example. We were out to dinner and I was trying to remember a bad SS model.

FenwickHockey65 · 08-01-2018, 05:52 PM

Malibu was the only really bad SS. All the others during that time period weren't exactly monsters but had their own merits.

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rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	GM has turned Buick into a wasteland, it is really to bad when you think of the GSX, GN/T-Type, Wildcat, Rivera GS. Like this article talks about Buick is Zombie like. https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...uick-must-die/ Last edited by rocket403; 08-01-2018 at 09:26 AM.

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FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	Malibu was the only really bad SS. All the others during that time period weren't exactly monsters but had their own merits. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

07-31-2018, 07:50 PM	#5577
Royal Tiger Account Suspended Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 3,873	GM has a long history of “watering down” iconic trim designations and design cues. One only needs to look up Cobalt SS and how can you forget the first ZR-1 Corvette with the squared off circle taillights that told everyone this was something special, only to see them on base models the next year or one after. To this end, I have to go with Jim in that they NEED Buick, because if they loaded up a Chevy, they’d make it look just like one costing half as much.