01-17-2024, 11:10 AM | #43 | |
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01-17-2024, 11:35 AM | #44 | |
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I take quite a few trips requiring at least 1 refill on gas. No thanks to waiting for a recharge. Plenty of people are good with taking breaks and walking around or getting a meal and thats their business. Having to plan on the car being on the home charger for hours to avoid the gas station even puttering on short trips still means the EV is down longer than the ICE for fueling/charging purposes. Plus, at home charging takes way way longer than pumping gas. The only crutch for that is having 480 3-ph ran to your house to power a 30KW charger. Throttle house didnt run a HPDE event. There isnt an EV I know of that can do that for all kinds of reasons. I suspect by the end of the first 1/2 hour session, IF it made it to the end, it would be severely discharged and no longer competitive. As you said, the government seems bent on forcing people into these cars and they're doing it under false pretenses. EV's arent going to save the world, they arent the green solution that the propaganda sells them to be, and they are not a practical replacement for people making long distance trips or engaging in HPDE. |
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01-17-2024, 11:48 AM | #45 | |
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So yes, in Toronto, the GTA, and Vancouver/Victoria/Vancouver Island, the uptake for Teslas is higher than the total US average. Moot point since 100% of those users use them for short commutes, are their 2nd, 3rd or 4th vehicle, store them in a heated garage like you, and/or don't experience actual cold weather as in the lower mainland.
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01-17-2024, 11:53 AM | #46 | |
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As far as HPDE, a Tesla would not be my choice for an HPDE, but to say that they are not capable can be easily disproven. They can be capable. Again, wouldn’t be my choice. At least not yet. Remember, we are at the start of the transition to EV, just like in the 1980s we were at the start of the transition to fuel injection. We’ve progressed from throttle body to port to direct to direct + port and high pressure direct. Same way, EVs will progress from go fast in a straight line to HPDE capable to some HPDE focused models.
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01-17-2024, 11:57 AM | #47 | |
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01-17-2024, 12:20 PM | #48 | |
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My audi is a 2018, so I don't have to smog it until 2025. Over the years, I have owned 47 cars here in California. I have never owned a car for more than 3 years (the rs3 is the first one). It is unlikely that I will have to deal with smog on that car, since I plan to sell it in the next year to get something new. I'm waiting to see what are the new Model 3 Performance specs. If the 2024 outperforms the previous gen (which does 0-60 in 3.1sec) I may buy another one. I'm also looking at the BMW m3 xdrive comp sedan, since those are absolute monsters with bolt ons and e85.
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01-17-2024, 12:32 PM | #49 | |
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For your other point about EVs, you're right - most are not supercars that are dusting everything else. I would not consider buying any of those slower ones, anyway. However, for these awd ones that are doing 4.0ish to 60, they're still going to beat most ICE cars in these real world, traffic light to traffic light situations because the acceleration is effortless and traction is not an issue. But for everyone who is reading this - I am just pointing out what are my experiences. I still own 2 very fast ICE cars. I love having a turbo car on ethanol, an SC car on gas, and the Electric car. I feel like I have access to the best of all worlds. Like I've said before, it is truly a great time to be a car guy - you have so many options. Let's focus less on hate, and more on enjoying what we have available to us. If you want to keep the ICE cars, great. If you want to try something new - shop around, see which EVs you like, and I'm pretty sure most of you won't be disappointed. I know I was pleasantly surprised with ours.
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01-17-2024, 01:20 PM | #52 |
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James, in all honesty, I don't understand why you (and a few others) are such ardent EV apologists on this forum, going to such lengths and putting so much effort into these EV posts. Why are you trying to convince people so hard?
If it was just one occasional post here and there, I'd keep my mouth shut, but it's definitely a trend... and for the record, I have nothing against these posts or the availability of EVs in general, to each their own, as long as these things aren't mandated in unacceptable ways. But you already know that even better than I do.
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Because most of us are willing to take 5 minutes to top off as opposed to the mind numbing driving experience that you get when driving an EV.
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