Best Supercharger for 2010 SS?

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by fastkevman

I too am having a tough time choosing what would be best if I do pull the trigger.
Two can be eliminated very easily......I don't like the way centrifugals are mounted, the gear whine sound, and I don't need the extra power they make over a top-mount, also I absolutely hate the way the Edelbrock system looks and yes I have seen it in person, so that kills the Vortech and Edelbrock for me.

That leaves me with a decision between the Maggie, Whipple, and Kenne Bell.

Are there any clearcut winners from that list for a guy that wants a very reliable complete system for a street cruiser?

Personally, I would go Whipple. Lowest IAT`s and the abilty to push big power in the higher rpm`s. Maggie`s work great but a 2300 won`t push the same kind of higher level power as the Whipple & KB. KB`s can push big power too but have slightly higher IAT`s and you can`t use a CAI with them being rear mount, at least not any of the current offerings.

Again this is just my opinion, no flaming please.

[Huck1974]

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[fastkevman]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Personally, I would go Whipple. Lowest IAT`s and the abilty to push big power in the higher rpm`s. Maggie`s work great but a 2300 won`t push the same kind of higher level power as the Whipple & KB. KB`s can push big power too but have slightly higher IAT`s and you can`t use a CAI with them being rear mount, at least not any of the current offerings.

Again this is just my opinion, no flaming please.

Great points to consider, thank you.

[dmax86]

[fisherssmoke]

Reliability and the name sold me on the Maggie. Huge gain on rwhp...at least I know I can go bigger if I want. A couple more bolt ons and this thing wont hold the road.

[Sack Rat 2SS]

You say you do not like the way the centrifical mount and look in the engine compartment. How bout the way Kenny Bell has the big intake horn coming from the rear and over the driver side valve cover. I believe you relocate the driver side coil packs which unbalances the motor look left side to right side. Just my observation. Maybe some good pics of Kenny Bell will show up on this thread.

[Brian@Vortech]

Originally Posted by Smart Line

what about noise? whining ....Gear grinding noise?
had a Vortech on my last car and ..WOW WHAT A GEAR NOISE!
power was great but the wife would not even ride in the car.

kind of like gear drive timing....TOO MUCH NOISE! FOR ME.

A long, long time ago we introduced quiet superchargers, and have since made them standard for pretty much everything but our race offerings. We're talking 8+ years ago now. The blowers we make now are just the right mix of quiet with a nice little whistle at idle.

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Well I ended up with the TVS 2300, but only because last year I had no other choice. Although my car runs pretty good, if I was starting now I would go a different route. I think that one of the centri blowers, on and A6 car, with slicks and a converter would be out of this world. The maggie has loads of low end but dies out pretty quick. With a centri, slicks, and converter, I would think I could still knock out a 1.6 60' but be able to trap 130+,(I'm speaking YSI or the bigger PC) which would be insane and damn close to the 9's with the limited mods.

This man speaks truth...

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

The maggie has loads of low end but dies out pretty quick..

Quoted again for emphasis. Your car will never stop pulling with a Vortech centrifugal, whether you shift at 6,000, 6,500, 7,000, or wherever - a centrifugal supercharger does not lay over and leave you flat, disappointed, and wanting more on the big end where your car wants to make power.

Originally Posted by WeeZee

Well short answer Procharger YSI or F1-A but seriously for power, reliability & customer service I vote Procharger

The V-7 YSi that you are referring to, currently tied for the most efficient streetable supercharger currently available from any manufacturer, is made by Vortech Engineering. Vortech is also the home of the equally efficient V-3 Si-Trim Supercharger. Don't get confused by hype. Efficiency = Power...and no amount of salesmanship will ever change that.

Originally Posted by Whipple Charged

Vortech is using the out of date Lysholm SC's, Lysholm in Sweden went bankrupt and left a path of desctruction a mile long.

You really, really shouldn't spread false information about other companies Dustin. Some items were sold off in the restructuring in an attempt to make the transition from Sweden to our facility in California smoother. You try moving an entire company from Sweden to America sometime!

[fastkevman]

Originally Posted by Sack Rat 2SS

You say you do not like the way the centrifical mount and look in the engine compartment. How bout the way Kenny Bell has the big intake horn coming from the rear and over the driver side valve cover. I believe you relocate the driver side coil packs which unbalances the motor look left side to right side. Just my observation. Maybe some good pics of Kenny Bell will show up on this thread.

Wow....that is an ugly set-up!(Kenne-bell)
I guess I only have to choose between the Maggie and Whipple.
Whipple seems to be a better choice in a side by side comparison.

[old motorhead]

[QUOTE=Brian@Vortech;2388198]

Quoted again for emphasis. Your car will never stop pulling with a Vortech centrifugal, whether you shift at 6,000, 6,500, 7,000, or wherever - a centrifugal supercharger does not lay over and leave you flat, disappointed, and wanting more on the big end where your car wants to make power.

I'd like to take you for a ride and maybe you could show me where my maggie quits pulling. I can show you where it starts pulling hard before your vortech even chears its throat. If you have 7 to 9psi avialable, why wait 'till the top end of the rpm band to feel all of it?

We're lucky to have all of these options. I like having full boost avialable before the upper rpm band. I rarely see 5000 rpm on the street. The neat thing about the maggie is that a big increase in hp is available from just over idle on up. Your 6.2L feels like 10L from just over ilde on up. I'll sacrifice a few hp, in an rpm range that I rarely go, to have the extra pull whenever I want it.

[Whipple Charged]

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

A long, long time ago we introduced quiet superchargers, and have since made them standard for pretty much everything but our race offerings. We're talking 8+ years ago now. The blowers we make now are just the right mix of quiet with a nice little whistle at idle.



This man speaks truth...



Quoted again for emphasis. Your car will never stop pulling with a Vortech centrifugal, whether you shift at 6,000, 6,500, 7,000, or wherever - a centrifugal supercharger does not lay over and leave you flat, disappointed, and wanting more on the big end where your car wants to make power.



The V-7 YSi that you are referring to, currently tied for the most efficient streetable supercharger currently available from any manufacturer, is made by Vortech Engineering. Vortech is also the home of the equally efficient V-3 Si-Trim Supercharger. Don't get confused by hype. Efficiency = Power...and no amount of salesmanship will ever change that.



You really, really shouldn't spread false information about other companies Dustin. Some items were sold off in the restructuring in an attempt to make the transition from Sweden to our facility in California smoother. You try moving an entire company from Sweden to America sometime!

Just curious, which part is actually false? Lysholm did in fact go bankrupt, our rep was there at the auction. Thats public knowledge. Whether its for restructuring or for liquidation, its still bankruptcy. As for destruction, I could go on for years.... I would never attempt to move a company that had out of date product, out of date machinery or key employee's that won't move to the US. To go out and find all new vendors because many of the last one's weren't paid is a couple year process in itself. That would be crazy!

Maybe your saying you've re-designed every componet? If so, I commend you for addressing all the issues you're inheriting and apoligize for stating your using the same inferior product.

The centrifugal keeps pulling because boost keeps climbing as the SC flow is increasing at a higher rate then the engine demand (increased cylinder pressure), which is typically opposite of what the OEM engine can handle. Cat temps, EGT's, cylinder pressure..... all get to very unsafe levels. Go ahead and take that 6.2L engine to 7000 and see what the boost is with the centrifugal. Change the camshaft and some other componets, now your talking some great HP on top but still lacking PD type torque.

PD SC's can change the pulley to get the same "peak" boost but have significantly more airflow (IE torque) at all low speeds as well as driveable speeds. The PD's only "fall off" when the SC or air inlet system is too small/restrictive. Boost is linear and typically only peaks when the engine's VE falls off (cam, heads, exhaust....). Many don't even notice, but when you drive a PD SC, at part and light throttles, you'll go to 1-3psi of boost. This cylinder filling is giving you far more power almost all the time which gives the customer a better feel.

In the end, each has its own characteristics which the end customer must decide what they like. Contrary to some claims, the Centrifugal does not make the most power, especially if you plot out average power gain through an entire rpm range and are refering to steetable applications. There will always be a market for both methods.

[GenuineGM.com]

With an A6 my personal preference is the Procharger hands down. Add a nice stall converter to the equation and we are really cooking with fire!!!

Am I biased? Maybe a little since I run a procharger on my personal setup, but I have installed them all and I really believe the Procharger cannot be beat. Plus you get room to grow, where MOST of the postitve displacement superchargers run out of breath. Look at the tvs2300+Rear Belt Conversions+Nitrous setups that are and still not making the numbers of the F1D Procharger for less money. Talk about things that make you go Hmmm.

Just my .02

Sam

[Huck1974]

Originally Posted by GenuineGM.com

With an A6 my personal preference is the Procharger hands down. Add a nice stall converter to the equation and we are really be cooking with fire!!!

Am I biased? Maybe a little since I run a procharger on my personal setup, but I have installed them all and I really believe the Procharger cannot be beat. Plus you get room to grow, where MOST of the postitve displacement superchargers run out of breath. Hench the tvs2300+Rear Belt Conversions+Nitrous, and still not making the numbers of the F1D Procharger for less money. Talk about things that make you go Hmmm.

Just my .02

Sam

Did you teach them how to properly plumb the kit? Did you help them upgrade to a non P.O.S leaky bov and have them send a real belt with the kit? How about the crappy tensioner?

Just wondered if they really have improved in the last 2 years, since we all gave them the solution to their crappy engineering in writing and never even got a free shirt out of the deal. Screw them.

[GenuineGM.com]

Originally Posted by Huck1974

Did you teach them how to properly plumb the kit? Did you help them upgrade to a non P.O.S leaky bov and have them send a real belt with the kit? How about the crappy tensioner?

Just wondered if they really have improved in the last 2 years, since we all gave them the solution to their crappy engineering in writing and never even got a free shirt out of the deal. Screw them.

My personal experience with the procharger kits I have installed has been met with nothing but great results, and happy customers. You seem to have had a bad experience with them which comes as a shock to me. I am sorry you feel that way I think they are great people to work with. I am yet to find any supercharger company that does not have great customer service. Maybe I am just lucky.

As for the belt and tensioner problems was this on a Camaro or another car? I have installed upwards of 20 kits on the 2010/2011 Camaros alone and have not had this issue. Heck we spun an F1D on a cam, headers, exhaust, LS3 to the tune of 774rwhp and 709rwtq with an 8-rib drive so not complaints here.

Sam

[tony1]

Wow..lot's of tech-no babble going on here... who has most power?? Then who has the most HP average across the band? I don't care ..Iam more than happy with my Vortech and glad I went that route ..
(When I hit the loud pedal and get pegged to my seat..bliss)..... I don't want 400wqt ant 2000rpm's .. I happen to like the graph that shows a climb (not flat line) .. and if you are racing you'll be keeping the power in the upper rpm band (4500+) anyway to each his own..