Ethanol 15 approved by EPA

[3min3m2]

I've had no problems fuel related in any cars my family has owned, other then a fuel pump in the 01 blazer. and i've always run E10, didn't even know there was E0 till now long ago cause thats all that is here.

hell bad gas is worse then E10

[its a syn]

wow this thread has stirred up alot of opinions on this subject and some facts will no doubt be lost or misrepresented. Example alchohol absorbs water in your fuel,thats why you don't need to use a can of heet in your car in the winter time when using ethanol. In the wet milling process of making ethanol so many other products come from the same water and energy used to make ethanol. Some that come off the top of my head corn starch, corn syrup,dextrose,sodium citrate,citric acid,gypsum(sheetrock) corn oil,germ,carbon dioxide(liquid and solid) plastic yes plastic! This is just the short list that comes to mind so it is easy for some to really get way out numbers on the energy it takes to make ethanol.Does anyone remember the pictures of Bejing during the last Olympics? That kind of pollution is what we are trying to avoid by producing cleaner energy. Ethanol is not a perfect solution by far and increased production will affect many other parts of our economy but IMO I like the future off creating fuels that get us away from our oil dependancy. just plunking down my .02 worth since I used to build these corn milling plants.

[ZED SLED]

So, since my brand new Cub Cadet riding mower can run a maximum of 10% corn squeezins', I guess now I should have to scrap it out and buy a herd of goats? C'mon granola eaters, give us a break

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by mclark10

So, since my brand new Cub Cadet riding mower can run a maximum of 10% corn squeezins', I guess now I should have to scrap it out and buy a herd of goats? C'mon granola eaters, give us a break

you might want to consider sheep

[TX Pony Killer]

This may be useful to those (including me) seeking non-ethanol gas: http://pure-gas.org

Too bad they haven't found one in Houston yet. If you find one, update their list.

[pennor]

Originally Posted by its a syn

I've been running cornpone in my vehicles for years, have not had any ethanol related problems. My 04 Cavalier just turned over172,000 on it with nothing but corn squeezins most internal engine work i have done to it is change oil every 3,000 and changed spark plugs at 100,000!! Camaro is running fine on it also. It has 13,000 on it, and get 29 mpg when I don't get on it. So hard to do though!!!

I'm actually very interested in your comment that you are running ethanol in your Camaro. One slight disappointment for me was that GM didn't rate the new Camaro for ethanol fuel, unlike most of the rest of their fleet. I work for a company that runs a couple of Chevy HHR's on E85 daily and they are getting close to 100K on them. They have had no problems and the fuel runs about $2.20/gal vs. $2.89 for gasoline (E10 here), plus there is a state alternative fuel credit on our income tax at the end of the year. If I could run my Camaro on E85 without killing the warrantee I'd do it. E85 offers less emissions, lower cost, and higher octane. Why not use it?

As for the boat discussion... I had a 94 I/O until this spring and it ran on pump grade E10 for half it's live with no problems what so ever.

[jonm38]

My truck is rated E85 Flexfuel, but the old classic vehicles days are numbered. We will be forced to take this E15, from what my Uncle said, your Camaro may end up end up going in to your Chevy shop for repairs due to the E15.

[pennor]

Originally Posted by TX Pony Killer

This may be useful to those (including me) seeking non-ethanol gas: http://pure-gas.org

Too bad they haven't found one in Houston yet. If you find one, update their list.

There are 2 that I know of in the Salem Oregon area, both on the West side of town. It's regular 87 octane fuel and sells for $3.50/gal.

[greenrail]

The sky is falling! The Sky is falling.

Heck, we have been using E10 around the chicago area for years and before moving here we had it up in Wisconsin. Used in my boats and all my cars. No ill effects from its use.

Read the announcement carefully before kneejerk reactions. They state the EPA is "Permitting" for newer vehicles and older vehicles subject to further study.

Let's keep this all in proper perspective. I don't like subsidies, never have and never will. But the reality is that we as a nation are being pushed more and more to energy independence. This Nation has the testicular fortitude to adapt accordingly. It is, basically a natural evolution of where we are headed as a country.

Geez, anecdotal vitriol is running rampant here. Need to notch it back a bit and see how this all evolves.

This is why companies like GM (Coskata Inc.), have invested in alternative fuel developing companies in recent years. This is why we have the Volt and other Hybrids on the road or coming to market.

Personally, in a few years it may not be so bad to see a Hybrid/ Electric powered Camaro. Thinking of Porsche's recent foray in ALMS with a Hybrid 911. THese will be interesting times to watch.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Is that the best you can do? Any how, I've seen these type of things before ,and I can tell you this isn't a good thing. I think your the one that doesn't have a clue. Do five minutes worth of research, and you'll see this is a junk fuel.
Maybe in twenty or thirty years they'll get it figured out ,but I hate to see the American people get used for R&D.

Maybe in 20-30 years?

E10 has been used in Denver during the winter to cut down on emissions since my dad was a teenager - as in, more than 30 years ago. I've run E10 in everything I've owned - a carbed IROC, a carbed 82 yamaha XJ650, a fuel injected hyundai accent, a fuel injected buick century, and my 93 z28. Its never caused a problem for me.
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[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by gblaue

For all us old timers, didn't we have this same discussion back in the 70's when they stopped producing leaded gasoline?

Uh huh, all the talk about our older cars won't run on unleaded gas was bunk. Amoco had unleaded premimum fuel since before Charles Lindbergh's "Spirit of St. Louis" crossed the Atlantic on Amaco unleaded, and it was considered one of the best gasolines of it's time, in fact that is all my Dad would run in his 56 Chevy 210 with the 265 power pack....
I read about 2 years ago that todays engines could handle 15% ethanol with no problems...above that, you don't want to do it unless it is a flex fuel vehicle... but then again I could be remembering it wrong...
the best thing is to consult your owners manual and warranty book, if it states not to use anything more than 10% ethanol fuels, then you could void your warranty.. Just a heads up.

[pennor]

I've run E10 in everything I've owned - a carbed IROC, a carbed 82 yamaha XJ650, a fuel injected hyundai accent, a fuel injected buick century, and my 93 z28. Its never caused a problem for me.

I agree! E10 has been the law of the State of Oregon for quite a few years. It was actually just this year that stations were allowed to sell 100% gasoline to the public again if they wanted to.

I've run it in everything, old tractors, circa 1968, my 454 Corvette, 1973, the 1959 Chevy that I just sold but ran for 17 years, my 1999 Ford motorhome. My 2004 Chevy Colorado. My boat. It's fueled every peice of equipment that I own and nothing, I MEAN NOTHING, has gone wrong with any of them that could be attributed to the fuel system.

I just don't understand this fear of an alternative fuel. To me it's completely unfounded.

[cmore]

Lets see, I have had problems with 2 chain saws, generator, pressure washer and lawn mowers and one motorcycle; and that was with 10% wonder what is going to happen with 15%? So am not for it. Not all farmers will make more because the price of corn increases. Those that use corn for feed will be negatively impacted. If u drive or run a motor frequently may not have issues (after paying for repairs on older fuel systems). I have the advantage of being able to purchase gas with out ethanol and that is what I use in those that don't get run often. I regularly drive and 93, 00, 02, 03 and 04 vehicles and occasionally drive 73 and a 77. None of which are approved for E85. We should open up drilling instead of buying oil from foreign countries. How much energy is used to produce the ethanol? I bet there is not a big saving in oil/coal use.

PS:
I think we are still subsidizing ethanol and it gets less miliage that straight gasoline.

[My 5th]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Uh huh, all the talk about our older cars won't run on unleaded gas was bunk.

No it wasn't bunk. The lead was necessary to lubricate the valve seats. If your "old" engine didn't have hardened valve seats running unleaded gas would eventually lead to valve and seat failure. Take it from one who actually was driving and hot rodding cars in the 60's