Camaro Weight

[smike07]

I am certain there will be some minor discrepancies, but I am willing to live with them.

[chevys]

I dont share the enthusiasm. I have seen gm screw up more times than I can count and I have owned my share of them. Nothing is perfect and everything is a compromise in someway or another. Man, the GTO was a disaster imo. I know styling is a subjective thing but jeez they could have done much better. The kick butt powertrain just didnt get enough buyers due to the looks and price. I think gm has learned their lesson on that one.

Im going to keep my fingers crossed but it seems like cars in general are gaining weight faster than Rosie O'donnell. The irs is going to come at some weight gain but its worth it for my particular use. Lets hope that they can reach a happy medium.

[smike07]

The IRS will not be as significant a weight gain as one would anticipate. All they have to do is remove the already heavy solid rear axle, add an extra control arm or two, and fancy up the bearings a bit more. I would estimate 25 extra pounds at the most. I am speculating the lower control arm will be aluminum anyway, so it may not even add that much. With an independent sus. don't be surprised if GM puts the transmission in the rear of the vehicle for a 50/50 weight distribution. Not only that, I will agree with you that they have learned their lesson with the GTO. When I saw it for the first time, I thought they just changed the styling of their Grand Am. When I saw the name plate I thought the driver just had a sense of humor, or it was a joke of a special edition. The concept and the test vehicles have already proven to me that GM is sorry for the mess of a car the GTO was. I figure the base V8 will come stock with either just shy of 400 horses, or just above it. If it is shy, a simple intake swap will fix that. There are endless things you can drop in that car to make it "special". Not only that, if you are unhappy with the looks, you can bet your first born child the aftermarket companies will have their machines ready to stamp out as much stuff as you want to slap on, or replace. I am almost certain one of the first things they'll be manufacturing is the sideview mirrors. They can already see that coming. I'll have a pair of them waiting.

[2K05GT]

Originally Posted by smike07

The IRS will not be as significant a weight gain as one would anticipate. All they have to do is remove the already heavy solid rear axle, add an extra control arm or two, and fancy up the bearings a bit more. I would estimate 25 extra pounds at the most. I am speculating the lower control arm will be aluminum anyway, so it may not even add that much. With an independent sus. don't be surprised if GM puts the transmission in the rear of the vehicle for a 50/50 weight distribution. Not only that, I will agree with you that they have learned their lesson with the GTO. When I saw it for the first time, I thought they just changed the styling of their Grand Am. When I saw the name plate I thought the driver just had a sense of humor, or it was a joke of a special edition. The concept and the test vehicles have already proven to me that GM is sorry for the mess of a car the GTO was. I figure the base V8 will come stock with either just shy of 400 horses, or just above it. If it is shy, a simple intake swap will fix that. There are endless things you can drop in that car to make it "special". Not only that, if you are unhappy with the looks, you can bet your first born child the aftermarket companies will have their machines ready to stamp out as much stuff as you want to slap on, or replace. I am almost certain one of the first things they'll be manufacturing is the sideview mirrors. They can already see that coming. I'll have a pair of them waiting.

This is a true statement, The After market is going to be huge, and I think GM is in bed with this idea, I believe the new Motor will be under tuned just for this reason. Ford did not climb on board with this notion until 2006, when they realized that the after market was something they wanted a piece of. They formed an alliance with Steeda to manufacture parts from the Ford Racing Line and sold them through the dealerships. Wipple Makes the FRPP Supercharger that now Carries a engine warranty plan through ford, look at the Hertz Rent a Racer and Shelby GT all aftermarket parts that are FRPP.

GM is looking at the after sales market and seeing $$$ so I don't expect a finely honed machine to hit the show room floors, the General wants a piece of the pie. I expect to be able to walk into a Chevy Dealership and purchase performance parts over the counter or order direct from chevy in the first year like I can do at Ford today.

Too Bad Joe Gibbs signed with Toyota because GM could have Called it Joe Gibbs Racing Parts :-)

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by chevys

Im thinking it will be 3700+ as well. I really wish that you could buy a car without power seats and windows but that doesnt seem to be an option now a days. Those things will eventually give you trouble if your like me and keep a car for a long time. Maybe somebody at gm is listening.

I remember a guy buying a fox mustang back in the day with a/c delete and no power anything. The coupes were pretty quick (especially back in the day) and the buyer saved a lot of money as well. Im realistic and I know this will probably not happen but we could always hope.

I'm thinking 3700+ also, but hopefully not too far north of that. With the amount of technology/electronics and safety features built into today's cars, it's just inevitable. No matter, as long as the car handles and moves that weight around well you won't be able to tell anyway.

[JustinZS]

Curious how much do the new Challenger (and RT version) and Mustang (and GT or Cobra) weigh?

[TFord]

I think the car will be 3700 max. more like 3500, but Im optimistic. GM isnt known for putting out fat sport cars

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by JustinS

Curious how much do the new Challenger (and RT version) and Mustang (and GT or Cobra) weigh?

I think I recall seeing the Mustang GT weighing in around 3550, as for the GT500 its like 3900+. THe Callenger R/T will probably only weigh like 50 lb's less than the srt-8 meaning about 4100lbs. So yeah, the Camaro will most likely weigh more than the Mustang but will have atleast 50 more hp than it so...

[Grape Ape]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I think I recall seeing the Mustang GT weighing in around 3550, as for the GT500 its like 3900+. THe Callenger R/T will probably only weigh like 50 lb's less than the srt-8 meaning about 4100lbs. So yeah, the Camaro will most likely weigh more than the Mustang but will have atleast 50 more hp than it so...

Word is that the GT will get a new 350hp V8 right around when the Camaro comes out. So the 09 1/2 (early '10?) GT's weight will probably creep a couple hundred pounds closer to the GT500's 2 tons.

I understand that the GT500's extra weight is due to the heavier engine, modifications required to deal with the extra power and modification required to make room for the OHC 5.4. The new re-powered GT will get a smaller helping of all these issues to deal with.

The SS & GT might end up with pretty similar weights.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by TFord

I think the car will be 3700 max. more like 3500, but Im optimistic. GM isnt known for putting out fat sport cars

~3500 lbs would be amazzzing! That would mean that even the base V6 would have over 300hp's @ just 3500 lbs.

[JustinZS]

Got bored and looked up avenger's weight -- 3355 lb.

Now looking at the pic below, the camaro is obviously smaller and not that much wider it seems. So unless the Camaro is super dense I can't see it being more than 150-200 lbs more??

[stovt001]

Good call. RWD does add weight over FWD, so the Avenger does have the advantage there, and of course the V8 could add some weight, but otherwise you're looking in the right direction.

[radz28]

It's been confirmed Camaro will be wider than the 'Vette, so how does that compare to the Avenger? Also, I'm sure that GM will stiffen the base Camaro chassis enough to where when it comes time to release a high-output version they won't have to change a bunch of stuff. What I mean is, I remember a statement, regarding the new CTS, where they engineered much of the additional bracing the CTS-V needed into the base CTS so that it didn't require much change to the car overall. I think GM will probably apply this way of thinking to Camaro so maybe we'll see a somewhat heavy base car, but the difference in weight to a high-output version to not be as drastic as the GT500. Assuming there will be a supercharged model, additional weight of a SC, intercooler plumbing and equipment, heavier-duty suspension components, and suspension craddles, will likely net a couple hundred more pounds, so the more they could spread the cost out to the lower performance models, I think, the better

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by radz282003

It's been confirmed Camaro will be wider than the 'Vette, so how does that compare to the Avenger? Also, I'm sure that GM will stiffen the base Camaro chassis enough to where when it comes time to release a high-output version they won't have to change a bunch of stuff. What I mean is, I remember a statement, regarding the new CTS, where they engineered much of the additional bracing the CTS-V needed into the base CTS so that it didn't require much change to the car overall. I think GM will probably apply this way of thinking to Camaro so maybe we'll see a somewhat heavy base car, but the difference in weight to a high-output version to not be as drastic as the GT500. Assuming there will be a supercharged model, additional weight of a SC, intercooler plumbing and equipment, heavier-duty suspension components, and suspension craddles, will likely net a couple hundred more pounds, so the more they could spread the cost out to the lower performance models, I think, the better

Its going to be wider than the C6 brand new Vettes?? how did I miss that lol