Ford: Yes, Camaro will outsell Mustang this year

[Sneeks20]

Chevy.... Like a rock

[wbt]

/shrug....

The only point here is that people prefer "looks" over performance.

I have owned them both and could not be happier that I traded my 5th gen for the new Mustang. It is superior in performance for less money and lower insurance.

People are allowed to make mistakes from time to time.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

If Mustang owners **** with your universe so much, put them on ignore.

Doesn't matter. Sheep will be sheep. Blind leading the blind. I have asked this very question for some time with no logical response on this site....

Don't like the topic/post, don't respond.

[SummoneR]

Originally Posted by wbt

/shrug....

The only point here is that people prefer "looks" over performance.

I have owned them both and could not be happier that I traded my 5th gen for the new Mustang. It is superior in performance for less money and lower insurance.

People are allowed to make mistakes from time to time.

So you are saying the Mustang out performs the Camaro?... we all have seen that, that is not always the case, these two cars are soo close it's not even funny...
I chose a Camaro for looks and for performance and for quality. I'm one of those people who have not had much success with Ford products. I believe some people just have bad luck with certain brands. My 2000 Mustang for the most part was decent, but it was less than 4 months old and interior body panels started falling off this thing... every time I pulled the door closed the panel would pop out or the cup handle thing... on both sides. The cloth seats were pretty decent quality though. And the car feels lighter than the Camaro, The rear end on that thing would go all over, I can make the rear in my Camaro lose when ever I want without much effort but keep it in control a lot better and make it do what I want, did not have that with the feather weight rear of the mustang. Anyway IMHO GM has always done everything better than Ford period. Even the IFS for the Camaro is better than any IFS ford tried to do on a mustang chassis. i.e. the Cobra.

[PeeBee]

Originally Posted by wbt

/shrug....

The only point here is that people prefer "looks" over performance.

I have owned them both and could not be happier that I traded my 5th gen for the new Mustang. It is superior in performance for less money and lower insurance.

People are allowed to make mistakes from time to time.

Hmmm...

Camaro 0-60: 4.6
Mustang 0-60: 4.9

Camaro: IRS
Mustang: live rear axle.

Not that I'm a straight line kind of guy, and even with only 3 tenths of a sec in between them, I would say it's the other way round.

Then again, I didn't have the pleasure yet driving either one of them (being located in Belgium).

But to say that Camaros are only bought because they look better then a Mustang (which happens to be a fact btw)...

I don't plan to buy the Camaro because of it's performance alone, I love the looks, but I want it, as I said in another thread, to humiliate some "decent" machinery, expecially since I consider driving it on track as well.

Then again, if I really want to have a laugh, I just get my TVR Tuscan out. Both looks (for me awesome ones, for other people it may seem plain ugly) and performs beautifully as well in a straight line (thanks to almost 650bhp for 1160kg) as in the handling department...

Each to their own, I'd say, but in my case, the Camaro beats the Mustang hands down any time. And I can't wait until the "Z28" is announced officially to order one.

[Entaille]

your less money and less insurance cost argument is absolutely flawed. may have been the case for you, but that doesn't make it so for everyone.

mustang had to fire back strong. their sales would have plummeted otherwise. compare the 2010 GT to the camaro or challenger - what do you think the sales #s would have been like if the 5.0 didn't come out?

unbiased stand point - when I decided to get a new car, the new 5.0 was out. I went to the ford dealership, excited as all hell to buy myself a mustang. that was my first and only thought as to what my new car would be. never would have considered them in the past, but wow, they put up a performer for a relatively good bargain.

didn't connect with the car at all. the interior felt economy like .. similar to their fusions and other models. didn't feel like a sportscar at all, it was very bland. the seats didn't grab me at all. couldn't get enough traction to put the power to the ground. I lost all interest in it.

with the camaro, I connect with it. it evokes that passion and emotion that I expect from a sportscar. I am excited to drive it, hell I'm excited to look at it. that's worth a hell of a lot more to me then some very minor upgrades to performance on paper. the current pony cars from ford/gm/dodge are so close in performance. if performance for the money is the only thing that is important, why the hell are we even looking at new cars that start at 30k and up? we can get much faster cars then what we all drive, for much, much less.

[King Sun]

You can't have a outdated looking car and think just because the performance is good that people are going to buy it and vice versa. the camaro has both of those things going for it and the mustange still pretty much looks the same . they need to change it up to competitive.

[snakekiller]

i don't really see the big wup, this means more camaro's will be plaguing the streets
destroying the more "unique" emphasis camaro owners like to use.
2010 camaro dime a dozen King, ether way i contribute this to the 7 year pent up demand from the camaro's absence, with some mustang help.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by SummoneR

So you are saying the Mustang out performs the Camaro?... we all have seen that, that is not always the case, these two cars are soo close it's not even funny...
I chose a Camaro for looks and for performance and for quality. I'm one of those people who have not had much success with Ford products. I believe some people just have bad luck with certain brands. My 2000 Mustang for the most part was decent, but it was less than 4 months old and interior body panels started falling off this thing... every time I pulled the door closed the panel would pop out or the cup handle thing... on both sides. The cloth seats were pretty decent quality though. And the car feels lighter than the Camaro, The rear end on that thing would go all over, I can make the rear in my Camaro lose when ever I want without much effort but keep it in control a lot better and make it do what I want, did not have that with the feather weight rear of the mustang. Anyway IMHO GM has always done everything better than Ford period. Even the IFS for the Camaro is better than any IFS ford tried to do on a mustang chassis. i.e. the Cobra.

Why in the Hell are you comparing a 2000 Mustang to a 2011 Mustang/2010/2011 Camaro?

2011 and 2010 Mustang GT hold a higher skidpad than the Camaro of equal years. SRA isn't so lousy is it? In fact, the same Camaro owners heckled the 2003/2004 Cobra owners because the IRS was a POS compared to their SRA's....

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Hmmm...

Camaro 0-60: 4.6
Mustang 0-60: 4.9

Camaro: IRS
Mustang: live rear axle.

Not that I'm a straight line kind of guy, and even with only 3 tenths of a sec in between them, I would say it's the other way round.

Then again, I didn't have the pleasure yet driving either one of them (being located in Belgium).

But to say that Camaros are only bought because they look better then a Mustang (which happens to be a fact btw)...

I don't plan to buy the Camaro because of it's performance alone, I love the looks, but I want it, as I said in another thread, to humiliate some "decent" machinery, expecially since I consider driving it on track as well.

Then again, if I really want to have a laugh, I just get my TVR Tuscan out. Both looks (for me awesome ones, for other people it may seem plain ugly) and performs beautifully as well in a straight line (thanks to almost 650bhp for 1160kg) as in the handling department...

Each to their own, I'd say, but in my case, the Camaro beats the Mustang hands down any time. And I can't wait until the "Z28" is announced officially to order one.

Another IRS vs. SRA weak comment....see above.

What does the Z28 have to do with the topic? I would take my GT 500 over the new Z28 any day.

Originally Posted by Entaille

your less money and less insurance cost argument is absolutely flawed. may have been the case for you, but that doesn't make it so for everyone.

mustang had to fire back strong. their sales would have plummeted otherwise. compare the 2010 GT to the camaro or challenger - what do you think the sales #s would have been like if the 5.0 didn't come out?

unbiased stand point - when I decided to get a new car, the new 5.0 was out. I went to the ford dealership, excited as all hell to buy myself a mustang. that was my first and only thought as to what my new car would be. never would have considered them in the past, but wow, they put up a performer for a relatively good bargain.

didn't connect with the car at all. the interior felt economy like .. similar to their fusions and other models. didn't feel like a sportscar at all, it was very bland. the seats didn't grab me at all. couldn't get enough traction to put the power to the ground. I lost all interest in it.

with the camaro, I connect with it. it evokes that passion and emotion that I expect from a sportscar. I am excited to drive it, hell I'm excited to look at it. that's worth a hell of a lot more to me then some very minor upgrades to performance on paper. the current pony cars from ford/gm/dodge are so close in performance. if performance for the money is the only thing that is important, why the hell are we even looking at new cars that start at 30k and up? we can get much faster cars then what we all drive, for much, much less.

BS on the insurance....go look it up for yourself. Grab a GT VIN off of the dealer inventory and check with your insurance company for a quote. Mustang will be less.

Plain opinion nothing more.

Numbers & video do not lie.

I have been down the "build it out of a junkyard" path. $2.5K resulted in an 11 sec. car for me but wasn't much of a daily driver without A/C, stereo and other creature comforts.

Originally Posted by King Sun

You can't have a outdated looking car and think just because the performance is good that people are going to buy it and vice versa. the camaro has both of those things going for it and the mustange still pretty much looks the same . they need to change it up to competitive.

Possibly....they are competitive....~7K in sales differentiate the 2 cars. I would not call that a miss on Ford's part. Performance is the key for me. The Mustang wins hands down period.

With roughly $1.5K in mods I have an 11 sec. reliable daily driver WITH A WARRANTY. To get that in my Camaro would have resulted in a $6.5K spend and a drivetrain warranty left in the dust.

Numbers don't lie...

Enjoy your dyno/garage queens.

[Sneeks20]

Originally Posted by wbt

/shrug....

The only point here is that people prefer "looks" over performance.

I have owned them both and could not be happier that I traded my 5th gen for the new Mustang. It is superior in performance for less money and lower insurance.

People are allowed to make mistakes from time to time.

Not sure where u get your info from but you cant compare a shelby gt500 with an ss. You sure can compare it with the 575hp camaro at your local dealer or even the Z28. Now your GT , that you can compare to the ss.


Check it out:

motortrend.com/cars/2006/lexus/is350/comparisons/make.html?Vehicle0.Make=Lexus&Vehicle0.Model=IS350 &Vehicle0.Year=2006&Vehicle0.Trim=;_SD;RWD;V6&Vehi cle1.Make=Ford&Vehicle1.Model=Shelby%20GT500&Vehic le1.Year=2010&Vehicle1.Trim=;_CP;RWD;V8&Vehicle2.M ake=Ford&Vehicle2.Model=Mustang&Vehicle2.Year=2011 &Vehicle2.Trim=GT%20Premium;_CP;RWD;V8&PageNumber= 1&TotalPages=2&Vehicle[3].Make=Chevrolet|16&Vehicle[3].Model=Camaro|382&Vehicle[3].Year=2011&Vehicle[3].Trim=SS;_CP;RWD;V8|848;2;5;15

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Sneeks20

Not sure where u get your info from but you cant compare a shelby gt500 with an ss. You sure can compare it with the 575hp camaro at your local dealer or even the Z28. Now your GT , that you can compare to the ss.


Check it out:

motortrend.com/cars/2006/lexus/is350/comparisons/make.html?Vehicle0.Make=Lexus&Vehicle0.Model=IS350 &Vehicle0.Year=2006&Vehicle0.Trim=;_SD;RWD;V6&Vehi cle1.Make=Ford&Vehicle1.Model=Shelby%20GT500&Vehic le1.Year=2010&Vehicle1.Trim=;_CP;RWD;V8&Vehicle2.M ake=Ford&Vehicle2.Model=Mustang&Vehicle2.Year=2011 &Vehicle2.Trim=GT%20Premium;_CP;RWD;V8&PageNumber= 1&TotalPages=2&Vehicle[3].Make=Chevrolet|16&Vehicle[3].Model=Camaro|382&Vehicle[3].Year=2011&Vehicle[3].Trim=SS;_CP;RWD;V8|848;2;5;15

Your post makes no sense at all....I only compared the GT500 to the Z28....not the SS.

Go back and re-read.

[Sneeks20]

Originally Posted by wbt

Why in the Hell are you comparing a 2000 Mustang to a 2011 Mustang/2010/2011 Camaro?

2011 and 2010 Mustang GT hold a higher skidpad than the Camaro of equal years. SRA isn't so lousy is it? In fact, the same Camaro owners heckled the 2003/2004 Cobra owners because the IRS was a POS compared to their SRA's....



Another IRS vs. SRA weak comment....see above.

What does the Z28 have to do with the topic? I would take my GT 500 over the new Z28 any day.



BS on the insurance....go look it up for yourself. Grab a GT VIN off of the dealer inventory and check with your insurance company for a quote. Mustang will be less.

Plain opinion nothing more.

Numbers & video do not lie.

I have been down the "build it out of a junkyard" path. $2.5K resulted in an 11 sec. car for me but wasn't much of a daily driver without A/C, stereo and other creature comforts.



Possibly....they are competitive....~7K in sales differentiate the 2 cars. I would not call that a miss on Ford's part. Performance is the key for me. The Mustang wins hands down period.

With roughly $1.5K in mods I have an 11 sec. reliable daily driver WITH A WARRANTY. To get that in my Camaro would have resulted in a $6.5K spend and a drivetrain warranty left in the dust.

Numbers don't lie...

Enjoy your dyno/garage queens.

[boltmark]

Originally Posted by macalot

"If that was important, we wouldn't have taken a shift off at Flat Rock," which is where the plant that assembles the Mustang is located."

Obviously this person didn't know that we are talking about SALES, not cars built.

Uh you can't sell cars if you don't make them. I think that is what they were getting at. DUH.

[SuperH]

Originally Posted by wbt

With roughly $1.5K in mods I have an 11 sec. unreliable daily driver WITH A WARRANTY.

Fixed.