Fouth Gen Camaro vs. Subaru STi

[MrCool]

Wikipedia:

Version 1

The regular STi (1994) has 247 BHP @ 6500 RPM

1994 Camaro Z28
275 @ 5,000 RPM

[Super83Z]

LT1s are fun cars I had a 95 Z28, great car. The starter is a PITA and the plugs but once you do them you will do them much faster the next time. A good tool is a shortened spark plug socket. Just put it on the plug and it lets the electrode slide all the way out and just put a wrench on the socket. Saves tons of time on the plugs, they are on Ebay all the time.

They run low 14's to high 13's but with the right bolt-ons(no cam yet) get deep in the 12's. Just don't get the opti wet and buy some sub-frame connectors. They are crucial to these cars. SFC's make a huge difference in frame rigidity and in most cases stops any squeaks or rattles you might have. Oh and make sure they weld-in and not bolt-in. The bolt holes stretch out over time.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by dooger89

all the specs about a wrx are nice but i thought that he said it was just a regular sti so if it is just the regular sti then frankly i believe that he would have a shot...but the real question is why would you dump all your money into your dads vehicle rather than jumping onto like craigslist.com and trying to find an ss

he said before that his dad is giving him the car

[r.i.p.01slpss]

There is a huge debate but I'll speak for the drag strip which in my mind is the only important measuring stick since every STI or Lancer Evo i see is trying to drag race. Im sure a race coud go either way in a motor trend story or something like that but from personal experience I NEVER had an STI beat my SS on the drag strip and I raced my fair share. Also, my car was stock while the other cars almost always had bolt ons.

[MrCool]

I can't help it, but I'm not a fan of the STi (all of them). The more I hear my friends talk about them, the more I grow to dislike them.

Is it just me?

[Lumina SS]

Originally Posted by MrCool

But that doesn't mean the LT1 is lost? It's not like it would loose horribly. Right? Wouldn't it just take a few mods to beat it?

:( :( :(

That is my goal, when I have some extra cash, put it towards beating the heck out of his "dream car"...

try not to race with him for a quater mile .

try to rolle with him from 25 mile like this and 700 or 800 meter in front like this you can beat him or a stiky or nitto tire should do well at a zero lunch

[BowtieGuy]

Seems like this entire discussion has been over two entirely different races. The OP refers to a 1994 Z28 and a 1994 STi (and has from the beginning). blaSSt wants to compare a 1994 Z28 to a 2006 Subaru WRX STi. Of course the second race is a given. The first race is much fairer, and in the Camaro's favor.

On a side note blaSSt, nothing personal, but suggesting that a stock 2001 LS1 F-body has an average quarter time of 13.6 is nothing short of absurd. Average is at least a 13.2 with even a semi-experienced driver.

[blaSSt]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Seems like this entire discussion has been over two entirely different races. The OP refers to a 1994 Z28 and a 1994 STi (and has from the beginning). blaSSt wants to compare a 1994 Z28 to a 2006 Subaru WRX STi. Of course the second race is a given. The first race is much fairer, and in the Camaro's favor.

On a side note blaSSt, nothing personal, but suggesting that a stock 2001 LS1 F-body has an average quarter time of 13.6 is nothing short of absurd. Average is at least a 13.2 with even a semi-experienced driver.

The OP did not have the years of the cars in the original post. The 1994 Camaro was deduced from the OP sig. In 2006 the the WRX was dropped and changed to just STI from a previous reference. It was natural to assume that was the car in the reference.

Now the 1994 STI reference just came up on page 2. IF the car to be raced is a 1994 STI then it is a VERY unique piece. Being that about 1000 were produced and sold in Japan, and ZERO were sold in the U.S. Yes, I believe a few were imported to the U.S. by some dedicated enthuasiasts. But the number has to be very low. And how many of those remain stock?

I have looked over the net, I cannot find anyone in the US claiming to have a 1994 STi. I found this one shipped from Japan to England: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/489255 (which by the way lists a 1/4 mile time of 13.04, not stock, 312 hp), found one in Okinawa, found several in Japan, one in Hamilton (Ontario Canada?), none in the US.

I'm not saying he's lying, but the chances that he is racing a 1994 stock STi are very low... very very low.

[MrCool]

In the first post, I did not know that Subaru changed the name of the STi to the WRX STi. I thought the WRX STi was the base model, and the STi is what would be equivalent to an Camaro SS.

But aparently they changed the name of the newer versions to WRX STi. I tried to make this clear on page two by giving the times of the two cars, (my apoligies) I didn't.

Since the 1994 STi is so rare anyway, I don't think I'll be seeing any on the streets anytime soon, so we can drop that race.

Now on page 2, we came to the conclusion, that stock for stock, an WRX STi will beat a 1994 Camaro Z28. But, from the price difference of the two (even from the price of a new camaro at the time), which is a difference of $13,831 (look at my earlier post), you can do enough mods and custimizations to that 1994 Camaro Z28 to beat this WRX STi.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by r.i.p.01slpss

There is a huge debate but I'll speak for the drag strip which in my mind is the only important measuring stick since every STI or Lancer Evo i see is trying to drag race. Im sure a race coud go either way in a motor trend story or something like that but from personal experience I NEVER had an STI beat my SS on the drag strip and I raced my fair share. Also, my car was stock while the other cars almost always had bolt ons.

your car is also an El Es Juan so its a moot point.

Originally Posted by MrCool

I can't help it, but I'm not a fan of the STi (all of them). The more I hear my friends talk about them, the more I grow to dislike them.

Is it just me?

nah, they are good cars in some aspects, just like LT1s are good in some aspects, or any car for that matter.

Originally Posted by Lumina SS

try not to race with him for a quater mile .

try to rolle with him from 25 mile like this and 700 or 800 meter in front like this you can beat him or a stiky or nitto tire should do well at a zero lunch

why would you want to roll race? that doesnt really prove much. not to mention..... street racing is bad.

and roll races are for ricers.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike

...nah, they are good cars in some aspects, just like LT1s are good in some aspects, or any car for that matter...

Yes, I agree...
(lol)

[smokn']

I feel as though this is just going in circles, so allow me to sum up for everyone:
a 2006 STi WILL beat your 94 z in most any race, given they are stock. If you upgrade enough, you can beat him in most any race, but the same rule applies to any car. But to be fair, the STi is a different price class, and pretty well king of the ricers.
There, now I feel better.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by smokn'

I feel as though this is just going in circles...

What's wrong with going in circles?

[blaSSt]

Originally Posted by smokn'

I feel as though this is just going in circles, so allow me to sum up for everyone:
a 2006 STi WILL beat your 94 z in most any race, given they are stock. If you upgrade enough, you can beat him in most any race, but the same rule applies to any car. But to be fair, the STi is a different price class, and pretty well king of the ricers.
There, now I feel better.

I disagree with one comment.

The WRX STI is not a ricer. It is a well engineered performance oriented sports car. Ricer refers to the following definition:

More contemporary use of the term rice burner, along with the prefix ricer, has taken on an alternate pejorative meaning for an automobile that has been modified to give impression of high performance, but does not necessarily have any high-performance capabilities.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_car