1/4 mile time might not be as good as everyone hopes

[Nexus6]

You also have to take into account for the altitude where these times are being run at.tracks at a lower elevation will run quicker times.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Yeah okay, I'm sure there are a lot of guys on this forum who can out-drive the testers at Car And Driver.

Anyway, I said Bedard raced in two Indy 500 races and Csaba raced in a bunch of 24-hour races, just responding to the poster who said that the guys at Car and Driver can't drive. Those guys drive more exotic supercars in a month than most of us drive in a lifetime. They do it for a living. But if you think they can't nail a good 1/4 mile time, fine.

so if you drive exotic cars alot you automatically become amazing drivers? Thats interesting.

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by pharmd

The key to this heavy pig of a car going fast will be the launch...are 11's possible trapping 109-111...yeah, even in a heavy pig, but it will take a 1.6 60' to do it...how do I know...I have a 5000lb TBSS, ran 12.39 @ 106.6...another TBSS ran 12.2 @ 109...so yeah, its POSSIBLE for it to happen...

DO I think it will...just depends on how hard someone is willing to run their car. Look people pretty much anything is possible...just happens that posters on here leave out details alot of times to make their story sound more impressive...or they exaggerate....a 12.2 becomes 11.99 etc. The key will be $$$, time, brains, the and willingness to break stuff. Anyone with all 4 will be able to do things most don't think are possible.

But yeah, 12.4 @ 110 on a STOCK f-body is NOT possible without GOOD tires and ALOT of weight removal...I knew a couple FREAK f-bods back in the day, 12.39 @ 112, and that was LT's, CAI, Tune, DR, cutout, and maybe gear...no major weight removal and no slicks/skinny's though...an no suspension work. Remove weight, slicks/skinny's, suspension work and the ET might be possible....that MPH might be stretching it some though...just depends on the weight.




Stock on street tires the new maro' will probably go high 12's, but I'd say, 8/10 people won't accomplish that. Throw on some DR and I'd say, 60-70% WILL. Question is, will a bolt-on go 11's without major weight removal?

FYI...fastest cam only G8 GT just went 10's @ high 120's. Get ready we are in for some FUN times!

[Bocephus]

The guys at Car and Driver are actually very good but they won't do what they consider abuse to get the best times out of a car. The times they get are what you can expect the average driver to get. They explain their test procedures in this article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ng+page-2.html

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by kylepo

so if you drive exotic cars alot you automatically become amazing drivers? Thats interesting.

OMG, you guys are totally missing the point...

I'll repeat, Patrick Bedard was on on IndyCar team in the '80s, and drove in two Indy 500 races. That alone should tell you Patrick knows how to drive, and race. Csaba Cere has competed in many races, including fifteen 24 hour races. That alone should tell you that Csaba knows how to drive, and race.

IN ADDITION, they drive performance cars for a living. Nonstop. They drive on race tracks, they drive on drag strips, they drive on skid pads, they drive through slaloms, and they drive in traffic. And all the time, they're trying to get as much as possible out of the cars.

My original post was simply in response to a guy who said "LOL, the guys at Motor Trend and Car & Driver can't drive." My opinion is that they can drive, and I backed it up with a few arguments. If you want to provide arguments of why they can't drive, then by all means go for it. I'm all ears.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

The guys at Car and Driver are actually very good but they won't do what they consider abuse to get the best times out of a car. The times they get are what you can expect the average driver to get. They explain their test procedures in this article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ng+page-2.html

That's a great link Bocephus, thanks. The magazine times are a good measuring stick to compare one car to another under similar conditions, because they are consistent in their test methods.

[Gary B]

Heres a comparison.... My 95 Z 6spd with heads, cam, full exhaust, 4.10 gears, Hurst shifter and retuned ECM with drag radials went 12.30's at 114 mph at Etown Raceway in NJ. The 60 foots weren't great, maybe 1.80's(have to find the tickets). I forgot what that car weighed, but I was about 220. That car had around 350rwhp or so...do the math. I'm assuming I(ME) at that track will get a stock SS damn close if not into the 12's fairly easily.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Gary B

Heres a comparison.... My 95 Z 6spd with heads, cam, full exhaust, 4.10 gears, Hurst shifter and retuned ECM with drag radials went 12.30's at 114 mph at Etown Raceway in NJ. The 60 foots weren't great, maybe 1.80's(have to find the tickets). I forgot what that car weighed, but I was about 220. That car had around 350rwhp or so...do the math. I'm assuming I(ME) at that track will get a stock SS damn close if not into the 12's fairly easily.

what kinda heads/cam did you have that you were only getting 350rwhp?

[Gary B]

Only 350rwhp? Don't forgot, we are talking about an LT1 here, not an LS1. Remember, they were rated at 300 at the crank stock. I also said about 350...could be higher, I never had it dynoed after all was done. Figure the new one will put at least 375 at the wheels.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by Gary B

Only 350rwhp? Don't forgot, we are talking about an LT1 here, not an LS1. Remember, they were rated at 300 at the crank stock. I also said about 350...could be higher, I never had it dynoed after all was done. Figure the new one will put at least 375 at the wheels.

LOLOptispark.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by wjones14

OMG, you guys are totally missing the point...

I'll repeat, Patrick Bedard was on on IndyCar team in the '80s, and drove in two Indy 500 races. That alone should tell you Patrick knows how to drive, and race. Csaba Cere has competed in many races, including fifteen 24 hour races. That alone should tell you that Csaba knows how to drive, and race.

IN ADDITION, they drive performance cars for a living. Nonstop. They drive on race tracks, they drive on drag strips, they drive on skid pads, they drive through slaloms, and they drive in traffic. And all the time, they're trying to get as much as possible out of the cars.

My original post was simply in response to a guy who said "LOL, the guys at Motor Trend and Car & Driver can't drive." My opinion is that they can drive, and I backed it up with a few arguments. If you want to provide arguments of why they can't drive, then by all means go for it. I'm all ears.

so I bet john force is probably really good going in the turns right by your logic if they are good at one kind of racing/driving they are great at all aspects of racing. I wonder why dale jr doesnt do top fuel drags because he must be so great at it because he is good at nascar.

[TomServo]

Very soon real owners will have real Camaro's out on 1/8 and 1/4 tracks all over America. Then we'll know for sure what it's capabilities are.

[Gary B]

Exactly right Tom....lets wait and findout ourselves!

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by TomServo

Very soon real owners will have real Camaro's out on 1/8 and 1/4 tracks all over America. Then we'll know for sure what it's capabilities are.

Hopefully Camaro owners and magazines will get their hands on the SS before the temperatures start warming up (Late Spring and Summer). If the LS3 is anything like my LS2, it needs cool air to run its best.
The GXP and 370z came out in the winter and were tested in cool air. That's one major reason for their good times.

So we might have to wait until next fall to see the fastest times out of stock 2010 Camaro's.