Here is another option with Diablo Sport

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

I like that site. Its cool cause its just V6s.

well, also the fact that i can't get to the site because it's blocked at work, doesn't help.

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

well, also the fact that i can't get to the site because it's blocked at work, doesn't help.

LAME.

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

here's a quote from the diablo forum from a guy that seems to be from Diablo, or is a moderator:

Is that recent? I have been reading their forums for a long time, and those words sound really familiar, like it was said in an OLD post.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by jeff4946

Is that recent? I have been reading their forums for a long time, and those words sound really familiar, like it was said in an OLD post.

yes. go to the link in the first post. then go to the second page. it was said last night.

[rtcat600man]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

i'm not sure what happened, but i tried loging in, and it wouldn't let me. so i gave up on that site. lol

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

well, also the fact that i can't get to the site because it's blocked at work, doesn't help.

I agree with BB..........LAME on both accounts.

I will contact someone to find out what is going on with your account.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by Blade

Ok just read that and that goes back to these companies prejudice about v6 owners and their desire to mod. They just think and won't change their mind that there are plenty of owners willing to mod V6.

I wouldn't say they are prejudice about V6 owners.... There were multiple options for tuners with my 2005 V6 Mustang and now there are already options for the 2011 V6 Mustang....

It's the fact that there is no gains to be had with the 2010+ V6 Camaro... With zero gains, a tuner is only going to appeal to a very small group of owners... If there were significant gains, like in the V6 Mustang, than a tuner would appeal to a much broader audience. There are a heck of a lot more people who might be willing to plug a tuner in than those who would do extensive mods requiring a tune!

It's a simple business principle, Return on Investment (ROI). If I spend $$$$ doing R&D, packaging, marketing, etc. how many units will I need to sell to make money? In this case, with zero gains, I'm afraid the business/marketing people realize that the target audience will be to small to deliver any kind of ROI... it would most likely be a money loosing proposition... Remember a large company like Diablo or SCT is going to have quite a bit of overhead..

again... I'm not trying to bash anyone... i'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade... if people want to ask companies to produce a handheld tuner I really don't care... but the fact is you will be beating your head against the wall... The fact is we've all been down this road before.. we've all been strung along... (Lingenfelter..cough, cough) and these tuner threads seem to really do nothing but raise a lot of false hope...

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

yes. go to the link in the first post. then go to the second page. it was said last night.

Well, it is what it is. We tried right? I'm sure eventually someone will convince them.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by scrming

I wouldn't say they are prejudice about V6 owners.... There were multiple options for tuners with my 2005 V6 Mustang and now there are already options for the 2011 V6 Mustang....

It's the fact that there is no gains to be had with the 2010+ V6 Camaro... With zero gains, a tuner is only going to appeal to a very small group of owners... If there were significant gains, like in the V6 Mustang, than a tuner would appeal to a much broader audience. There are a heck of a lot more people who might be willing to plug a tuner in than those who would do extensive mods requiring a tune!

It's a simple business principle, Return on Investment (ROI). If I spend $$$$ doing R&D, packaging, marketing, etc. how many units will I need to sell to make money? In this case, with zero gains, I'm afraid the business/marketing people realize that the target audience will be to small to deliver any kind of ROI... it would most likely be a money loosing proposition... Remember a large company like Diablo or SCT is going to have quite a bit of overhead..

again... I'm not trying to bash anyone... i'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade... if people want to ask companies to produce a handheld tuner I really don't care... but the fact is you will be beating your head against the wall... The fact is we've all been down this road before.. we've all been strung along... (Lingenfelter..cough, cough) and these tuner threads seem to really do nothing but raise a lot of false hope...

i can understand this, but have no tuners ever made a tune that produced next to nothing on a stock motor? But did tune a modified one? I thought the case was, more often then not, that a stock motor wouldn't create much more hp increase from a tune alone...

maybe i'm off here...

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

i can understand this, but have no tuners ever made a tune that produced next to nothing on a stock motor? But did tune a modified one? I thought the case was, more often then not, that a stock motor wouldn't create much more hp increase from a tune alone...

maybe i'm off here...

I'm with you... I said this in another post, but I have talked to a few local tuner who have said, its not that you can't drag out more from your mods, its because the Bosch platform will die. That being said, you wanna lay a wager on how fast they jump on the next platform? I'll bet if it sticks, Diablo will be the first to pull from the pot. Makes sense when money is involved.

[bmwdon]

kingmotorsport in ashland va did (or is finishing up I shoudl say) my challenger, they have done a V8 camaro, and are interested in doing my V6. They have the V6 head instructions, Brad King has been in my engine bay and looked around, said he's going to have his main tech (when he gets back from vacation next monday) look over the instructions and give me a quote on labor to do the heads and put in the time to contact the trifecta tuner down in hampton va or atleast Vince out at trifecta on how to get the car tuned. Wife is stoked, she don't like the power my car puts down now, "a bit too much" as she says, but wants more out of her V6 So we'll be looking to put her into the shop in the next 2-3 weeks, based on schedules with the tuner and engine builder. major pisser no other major tuner is willing to do something with the llt, but atleast we got one that can do it...they cornered the market, even as limited as it it, it's their realm.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

i can understand this, but have no tuners ever made a tune that produced next to nothing on a stock motor? But did tune a modified one? I thought the case was, more often then not, that a stock motor wouldn't create much more hp increase from a tune alone...

maybe i'm off here...

Every tuner that I've seen offered some kind of noticeable gain with a stock motor.

To give you an idea. Here is the before and after with just a tune on a 100% stock 2005 V6 Mustang.



With gains like that, especially in the low end torque, now all of a sudden people who never thought about modifying there car are going, "hmmm... " and are very potential customers...

[scrming]

Originally Posted by bmwdon

kingmotorsport in ashland va did (or is finishing up I shoudl say) my challenger, they have done a V8 camaro, and are interested in doing my V6. They have the V6 head instructions, Brad King has been in my engine bay and looked around, said he's going to have his main tech (when he gets back from vacation next monday) look over the instructions and give me a quote on labor to do the heads and put in the time to contact the trifecta tuner down in hampton va or atleast Vince out at trifecta on how to get the car tuned. Wife is stoked, she don't like the power my car puts down now, "a bit too much" as she says, but wants more out of her V6 So we'll be looking to put her into the shop in the next 2-3 weeks, based on schedules with the tuner and engine builder. major pisser no other major tuner is willing to do something with the llt, but atleast we got one that can do it...they cornered the market, even as limited as it it, it's their realm.

Very cool! Looking forward to seeing how this turns out! Want to see how far my guess was off! LOL

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by scrming

Every tuner that I've seen offered some kind of noticeable gain with a stock motor.

To give you an idea. Here is the before and after with just a tune on a 100% stock 2005 V6 Mustang.



With gains like that, especially in the low end torque, now all of a sudden people who never thought about modifying there car are going, "hmmm... " and are very potential customers...

I have to say, i think that's a very rare case, to gain that much from a stock motor. I would really like to see how the new SS's do with a stock tune, as well as a few more examples. I'll have to do a little more research. But i could have sworn with the little i've done before, you don't gain much. perhaps 5hp or so.

[Demon Hunter]

I remember reading somewhere that the SS's, in particularly the LS3's, where getting some pretty good gains from tuning. Don't remember the exact numbers, but I could swear I saw somewhere that a couple of guys where getting between 115-25hp bump from the tune alone.