Gas Guzzler tax?

[Number 3]

All those that think there has to be a GG Tax on the SS can just send an extra check to GM for the amount they think is fair. We will gladly accept your donation.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Number 3

All those that think there has to be a GG Tax on the SS can just send an extra check to GM for the amount they think is fair. We will gladly accept your donation.

Please send all checks to:

camaro5 c/o Camaro5

[camaro5]

How about a shorter version:

city and highway mpg values listed in Fuel Economy Guide and shown on fuel economy labels are multiplied by 0.90 for the city test and 0.78 for the highway test.

However, the combined city and highway fuel economy that is used to determine tax liability is not adjusted to account for in-use shortfall, so it is higher than the mpg values provided in the Fuel Economy Guide

So, the numbers used in GG calcs are higher than: 15/22 man 15/23 auto

[Tal]

Originally Posted by camaro5

How about a shorter version:




So, the numbers used in GG calcs are higher than: 15/22 man 15/23 auto

Yep they work out to be something like 17/29.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Tal

Yep they work out to be something like 17/29.

So, those are the real numbers they got, and then they lower them for the "in-use shortfall". And that is the 15/22-23 mpg, but they use 17/29 for GG calcs.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

If it has skip shift like the corvette it will not have the gas guzzler tax. For those that don't know, the corvette has skip shift which at low rpm's forces you to shift from 1st directly to 4th. You can buy a $25 part and install it to by pass the skip shift. If that is common knowledge here, sorry!

Thats not necessarilty true. It used to be the case but not any more. The 08 Z06 (pictured below ) has skip shift and there was no gas guzzler tax. The 09 Z06 is the same car, but it gets the Gas Guzzler tax. Go figure!

[OldTimer]

Originally Posted by rmyers

Thats not necessarilty true. It used to be the case but not any more. The 08 Z06 (pictured below ) has skip shift and there was no gas guzzler tax. The 09 Z06 is the same car, but it gets the Gas Guzzler tax. Go figure!

Really, I didn't know that. That really sucks.
I always felt it was because of the skip shift the C6 avoided the GG tax.

I want to say that somewhere in these threads Scott S. actually said that because of the skip shift the camaro would NOT get the GG tax. I really don't care so I am not going to search for it. For whatever reason, the camaro does not get the guzzler tax. By the way, great looking Z06! That will be my next car if we never see a Z28 camaro.

[UCF w00t]

Skip shift aids in improving the MPG rating of manual transmission cars and therefore pushed Camaro above the bubble so that it wouldn't incur the tax (according to Scott). Just because a car has skip shift doesn't mean it won't incur the tax but it is a tool that the auotmaker can use to improve the rating of the vehicle.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by headpunter

gxp weighs more and gets worse mileage, and doesnt have cags.....thats why it has the 1700 tax...

Nope, unfortunately this is just more misinformation on this site. The GXP does indeed have CAGS, and still gets the gas guzzler tax... from Car and Driver's review:

"Instead, the GXP gets the hated first-to-fourth-gear skip-shift system on the six-speed manual, which blocks out second and third under low-load driving. This forces the driver into fourth gear early in an effort to save fuel. Although it doesn’t prevent the GXP from drawing a gas-guzzler penalty, the fairly aggressive (intrusive) program at least minimizes the tax."

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Nope, unfortunately this is just more misinformation on this site. The GXP does indeed have CAGS, and still gets the gas guzzler tax... from Car and Driver's review:

"Instead, the GXP gets the hated first-to-fourth-gear skip-shift system on the six-speed manual, which blocks out second and third under low-load driving. This forces the driver into fourth gear early in an effort to save fuel. Although it doesn’t prevent the GXP from drawing a gas-guzzler penalty, the fairly aggressive (intrusive) program at least minimizes the tax."

Sorry I Lied to you, appearently im not as well versed on the g8....

atleast i was 2 out of three, To be fair though you are 0-1 because you bought a mustang......touche

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by headpunter

Sorry I Lied to you, appearently im not as well versed on the g8....

atleast i was 2 out of three, To be fair though you are 0-1 because you bought a mustang......touche

Listen, I didn't mean to make it personal. It's just so typical of forums. Someone will ask a legitimate question, i.e., since the GXP is so similar to the Camaro and it gets the gas guzzler tax, why won't the Camaro get it as well? That's a good question, and the guy deserves an honest answer, not misinformation.

I know it wasn't intentional on your part to lie, but it only took me a minute to do the research and google for the answer. Just trying to police the forums. Sorry.

[bobby35ny]

ok TOUCHE for everyone....

Back the the question, The G8 GXP and the Camaro have very similar drivetrains. I'm wondering what put the G8 GXP over the hump for the guzzle tax?

=bobby

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Really, I didn't know that. That really sucks.
I always felt it was because of the skip shift the C6 avoided the GG tax.

I want to say that somewhere in these threads Scott S. actually said that because of the skip shift the camaro would NOT get the GG tax. I really don't care so I am not going to search for it. For whatever reason, the camaro does not get the guzzler tax. By the way, great looking Z06! That will be my next car if we never see a Z28 camaro.

I think that was the reason why the 08 and earlier C6 avoided the tax, but in 09 I think they changed the mileage threshold. I guess the government didn't appreciate the marketing blurb on the Z06 website that it was the only 500+ hp vehicle to avoid the tax .

[Tal]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

ok TOUCHE for everyone....

Back the the question, The G8 GXP and the Camaro have very similar drivetrains. I'm wondering what put the G8 GXP over the hump for the guzzle tax?

=bobby

The Camaro is just barely going to avoid the GG Tax, so the weight probably put the G8 GXP over the hump, and since it was already over GM went with more aggressive gearing to gain a little acceleration and losing a little more mpg, AFM for the Camaro SS A6 that isn't availible with the GXP, the bigger wheels & tires might actually be helping as well, there were quite possibly some other small tweaks were done to squeak past the GG Tax. Just looking at that stuff the G8 is going to need an extra 300+ rpm at 80 mph.