Do you think it was right that the mustang got to use the trackpack in the comparison

[z06reznor]

I believe Ford did the smart thing in coming out with the track pack - but it is not an apples to apples comparison with the Camaro. The suspension and gearing change to 3.73 accounts for the improvement in Ford's numbers. Chevy with the new Camaro, like all true STOCK cars came with the more standard gear ratio for fuel economy, and a more standard suspension to appeal to the largest buying public as possible, as they should. I am sure in the coming months, or for 2011 model year, Chevy will make a similar option package available, much like they do now with the Corvette and the Z51 package. The changes will result in faster times across the board for the Camaro. I'm sure when it hits the streets, the aftermarket will provide plenty of suspension and gearing options that will do the same.

[edbrick]

I don't get it why are Mustang guys come to a camaro site and expect Camaro guys to listen to all this GT500 talk. If ya wanna get to exited how about comparing a stock Vette to A GT500. Oh thats right that wouldnt be fair.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

The GT500KR and Supersnakes are the tuner version of the GT500 and modified by Shelby American in Las Vegas Nevada. The regular GT500 is built in Livonia Michigan on a Ford assembly line. No BS dude do some research if you don't believe me. Good ole Carrol Shelby would put his name on anything for a buck, just look at Z-Max.lol
Ford actually still has a very strong factory performance presence. You can even buy Ford factory tuner cars. Check out the last link.
http://www.zmax.com/

http://www.shelbyautos.com/vehicles.asp

http://www.ford.com/vehicles/performance-vehicles

I know about the 500KR's and the Supersnakes, those are NOT what we are discussing... I have seen an interview with Carrol Shelby and He said He had input on the GT500....
Anyway, I still think FORD thinks the GT500 is seperate from your normal Mustangs, because your link is for their special performance cars, and it is NOT listed with the regular production Mustangs...

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

I know about the 500KR's and the Supersnakes, those are NOT what we are discussing... I have seen an interview with Carrol Shelby and He said He had input on the GT500....
Anyway, I still think FORD thinks the GT500 is seperate from your normal Mustangs, because your link is for their special performance cars, and it is NOT listed with the regular production Mustangs...

I had input on the GT500 too. I just don't think they used it though.

Ford is basically just using the name Shelby GT500 for the car. If Shelby didn't ok it, it would have been a Cobra. SVT essentially created the vehicle.

[perfxn]

the converstion was supposed to be about the SS and GT and your opion on the track pack issue, i dnt see where the GT500 came from.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

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Anyway, I still think FORD thinks the GT500 is seperate from your normal Mustangs, because your link is for their special performance cars, and it is NOT listed with the regular production Mustangs...

That's because the 2010 GT500 is not out yet. If you look at the older Canadian site you'll see the 2009 GT500 beside the regular Mustang.
http://www.ford.ca/app/fo/index.do

[fdjizm]

i think the subject about the gt500 came from someone pointing out that the gt500 ONLY ran 12.8 in some test (ridiculously slow)... i would think u would be more concerned as to why a bolted on GT runs faster than an ss with less HP oh snap!

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

The GT 500 Is officially called a Shelby GT500, It is a special tuner car and a limited edition. where the Camaro SS is a normal regular production car with no influence by any outside resource. They were testing the TOP for TOP regular production cars... Now in my opinion both should have bought as base vehicles, a 1SS against the Mustang GT. period, No addons, then also with every option available... performance etc...

Also I want to see a head to head of a Camaro LS against a Base Mustang. no options on either...

That's like saying "they should do a Camaro vs. Mustang comparo, but with the cars costing $29,999 or less." There has to some form of balancing the premium pricepoint. Otherwise if price doesn't matter, then, as was mentioned before, why not the GT500 if it's one of Fords regular production car.


BTW, i am not advocating comparing the GT500, just following the logic. The GT500 may (or may not) be a better vehicle than the SS in overall performance and daily driving, and it's probably not a better value TODAY when compared to the Camaro, but there are other factors involved. The GT500, with it's near bulletproof engine, is also a collector and status type car that will hold it's value and become more of an investment in the long run while the Camaro is in all likelyhood not.

[oldtransam]

Originally Posted by perfxn

I dont really see how the mustang got the trackpackage, none of the other cars " camaro and challlenger"? i feel it should of been all base test no extras across the board. SS vs GT. how do you folks feel?

I read up a little bit on what the options on a Mustang are. The "Track Pack" is nothing really exotic, or limited availability, etc...

It doesn't even come with stiffer or lower springs. It gets a 3.73 axle (which is optional separately), some retuned shocks, a different rear sway bar, some different rear control arm bushings, and summer tires (all other V6 and GT Mustangs come with all-season tires).

Since the Camaro that was in the comparison test had summer tires, I think it would have been unfair to run it against a Mustang with all season tires.

Any real enthusiast customer is likely to order the available performance goodies anyway. Makes sense to me to have tested them exactly the way they did...

[perfxn]

im talking about susy and john not us here at the forum, of course we buy them and its not about it being " exotic, or limited availability, etc... " its about being an option and not standard. the camaro is standard with those tires

[fierodeletre]

The reason a 'bolted on' (whatever the F that entails) mustang would go faster than an SS with less horsepower should be obvious to anyone who knows a bit of elementary Newtonian physics about power versus weight. It's not because Ford mysteriously makes faster cars. I love to laugh at people who say things like "with these power adders, this car is faster than that one! Isn't that weird? I add more horsepower and it goes faster? huh! Shazam!" You can make anything faster than anything else with money. This is a discussion about factory optioned vehicles.

[logan1080]

I think it should have been a test of a Camaro SS, Mustang GT without trackpack, dodge challenger SRT8. Price comparison should have been part of the ratings. those are the top of what each company offers except the mustang gt 500 which is in a class with the corvettes.

[z06reznor]

Originally Posted by oldtransam

I read up a little bit on what the options on a Mustang are. The "Track Pack" is nothing really exotic, or limited availability, etc...

It doesn't even come with stiffer or lower springs. It gets a 3.73 axle (which is optional separately), some retuned shocks, a different rear sway bar, some different rear control arm bushings, and summer tires (all other V6 and GT Mustangs come with all-season tires).

Since the Camaro that was in the comparison test had summer tires, I think it would have been unfair to run it against a Mustang with all season tires.

Any real enthusiast customer is likely to order the available performance goodies anyway. Makes sense to me to have tested them exactly the way they did...

Nothing "exotic" is needed - those components together, especially the 3.73 and re-tuned shocks account for the improvement in G and slalom numbers for the stang. Tires alone do not, and you said it yourself ENTHUSIASTS would order that extra money option. The average joe will not, in fact that's the stang's biggest selling point - the affordability. This is evident in the fact the the V6 is what sells the most. A regular V8 stang GT and the regular V8 Camaro would should a greater difference in numbers for the Camaro.

[Speed74SS]

Production Cars:

Chevy's best = ZR1

Ford's best = GT500

I think I will take the ZR1 - if we are comparing top to top.

If we are comparing anything else - Camaro SS all the way!!!