Chevy called me, wow

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

With all due respect, there's something seriously wrong with this statement. If what you say is true then the people at Dell Computers in theory should have been put behind bars years ago.

If they can do it, so can you!

(Not to mention the fact that your new owners apparently can "trump" any state laws that they want to at any time for any reason!)

Yes, I'm being sarcastic but I'm tired of hearing things are impossible when other people do them.

Like fbod mentioned, he is talking about automobile franchise laws.

Originally Posted by camaro4life65

Im In San Jose, CA and 3 chevy dealerships have closed in last 2 years!!! 3 months ago they were calling/emailing me like crazt to buy a car from them.....However the camaros are finnally comming in and these f,,k heads jacked up the price 10k over sticker and if you dont want to pay they are ass holes and say supply in demand....so much for customer service any longer with chevy...

I drive out of State before I pay over invoice...this is crazy then they wonder why people buy toyotas.....Im all for AMerican cars but this is jacked up....

Chyrsler did this when the 300 came out and looked what happend to the,????

once again like fbod said, JUST SAY NO.

I know it's hard in California but there are honest dealers out there willing to sell for MSRP. You just need to look.

We have a whole thread on this site with MSRP and below dealers.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I'm not sure what you mean by this.........

Even if GM goes chapter 11 and all franchises are declared null and void.....there are STILL State Franchise laws ( ....I should clarify .....AUTOMOBILE Franchise laws.....) ......that prohibit ALL automobile manufacturers from selling direct to the public.

I just meant that Apple and Tesla both own their own stores and sell directly to the public (you didn't specify it applied only to car companies). However, Tesla is a car company. I wonder how they can skirt around the law?

The only thing I could find is that car manufacturers can't sell directly to the consumer via the Internet because of the law, but if the dealership's didn't exist then there'd be no franchises so how could you break them if GM didn't franchise any portion of its business?

However, as it stands the dealerships apparently contribute to A LOT of political campaigns and therefore have some...pull.

[Xmicro_SS]

I say get the name of the dealer that the other two Vegas people are using...... obvious answer to your issues.

There are plenty of dealers not selling over MSRP, just get the car from them.

And I was out at Sema in November, hate to say, I not only didn't support your school system but the Venitian helped support my Camaro Deposit! Thank You Roulette and the $1 Wheel of Fortune machine!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

I just meant that Apple and Tesla both own their own stores and sell directly to the public (you didn't specify it applied only to car companies). However, Tesla is a car company. I wonder how they can skirt around the law?

The only thing I could find is that car manufacturers can't sell directly to the consumer via the Internet because of the law, but if the dealership's didn't exist then there'd be no franchises so how could you break them if GM didn't franchise any portion of its business?

However, as it stands the dealerships apparently contribute to A LOT of political campaigns and therefore have some...pull.

Gonna have to do some research but Im betting Tesla has diff rules because its electric...

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Gonna have to do some research but Im betting Tesla has diff rules because its electric...

I was thinking that was a possibility but I couldn't imagine what the difference would be as it's still a car and in that case the second GM makes electric cars they could do the same.

I know there was a bill that was shot down concerning electric cars being allowed to be directly ordered by the consumer. I don't know if it ever got passed after being shot down, but I imagine not.

[Captain Awesome]

Umm.... doesn't everyone realize Tesla makes cars?

How do they sell them direct?

I bet you will find if youy read the laws that there's a way around this. Probably something along the lines of: "If you have a franchise in a state you cannot dictate this and that... blah blah blah. If you do not have franchises then you can sell direct."

The real answer is to do away with all franchises, sell direct, and establish the existing dealers as "service centers" and NOT franchises.

SIMPLE.

Now, get to work!

[Milk 1027]

You guys need to realize that dealerships account for many jobs as well.

Our unemployment rate is already high as it is. Getting rid of all the dealers would only make things worse.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

You guys need to realize that dealerships account for many jobs as well.

Our unemployment rate is already high as it is. Getting rid of all the dealers would only make things worse.

From the reports I see here getting rid of dealers will clear up the image problems of GM and sales will skyrocket.

They are already planning on killing of over 1000 dealers and I bet you that most of them are from rural areas where they are actually doing a good job and being honest.

The ones that will stay open are probalbly going to be the high-pressure scumbags.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

I was thinking that was a possibility but I couldn't imagine what the difference would be as it's still a car and in that case the second GM makes electric cars they could do the same.

I know there was a bill that was shot down concerning electric cars being allowed to be directly ordered by the consumer. I don't know if it ever got passed after being shot down, but I imagine not.

Here is why Tesla can do it.......



"Siry also added that the company wants to control the customer's buying experience. Most of the time, buying a car is unpleasant: dealers are paid to move the cars they have on the lot. Changing that arrangement could help Tesla-owned dealerships gain an edge in sales, he said. Additionally, selling through independent dealers might hurt the company's plans to sell direct. Large manufacturers like Ford, for example, can't sell cars directly in a state where an independent-dealer Ford franchise exists. Thus, by establishing company-owned dealers, Tesla will circumscribe where it can sell direct."

http://news.cnet.com/Tesla-to-open-f...3-6167658.html

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

From the reports I see here getting rid of dealers will clear up the image problems of GM and sales will skyrocket.

They are already planning on killing of over 1000 dealers and I bet you that most of them are from rural areas where they are actually doing a good job and being honest.

The ones that will stay open are probalbly going to be the high-pressure scumbags.

Your never going to win any debates around here with opinions....... Im just saying

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

You guys need to realize that dealerships account for many jobs as well.

Our unemployment rate is already high as it is. Getting rid of all the dealers would only make things worse.

I think the best case solution (read: not ever going to happen) would be to keep the dealerships open, but instead of being privately owned they would be owned by GM and not given the leeway that they currently enjoy. There'd be no mark ups, there'd be no fake customer orders and there'd be no allocations, just order the car you want and wait for it to come.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Here is why Tesla can do it.......



"Siry also added that the company wants to control the customer's buying experience. Most of the time, buying a car is unpleasant: dealers are paid to move the cars they have on the lot. Changing that arrangement could help Tesla-owned dealerships gain an edge in sales, he said. Additionally, selling through independent dealers might hurt the company's plans to sell direct. Large manufacturers like Ford, for example, can't sell cars directly in a state where an independent-dealer Ford franchise exists. Thus, by establishing company-owned dealers, Tesla will circumscribe where it can sell direct."

http://news.cnet.com/Tesla-to-open-f...3-6167658.html

So what I said to Fbodfather was in fact correct. Destroy the existing franchises and they could open their own.

NOTE: I know it's not as easy as saying it, but from what I gather it's 100% possible and probably the way that it should have been done from the outset but hindsight is 20/20.

So, Fbodfather, I'm waiting for my apology. I kid, I kid.

[davidj]

It’s been said before but I'll say it again. When it comes down to it, it’s not the dealerships fault. It’s the idiots who buy the cars at 10k over MSRP. If no one bought the cars at these high prices the dealerships would have to lower the price to sell them. It’s not really supply and demand. It’s what someone is willing to pay. So the next time you’re talking to a new owner and he says he paid over MSRP, kick him in the nuts and throw his keys in the bushes.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

So what I said to Fbodfather was in fact correct. Destroy the existing franchises and they could open their own.

NOTE: I know it's not as easy as saying it, but from what I gather it's 100% possible and probably the way that it should have been done from the outset but hindsight is 20/20.

Tesla has a handfull of dealers...... GM has over 6500 reported by bloomberg.... HUGE DIFFERENCE.
There is alot of overhead that GM would be gaining by "owning" and running all of their own dealerships...