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C5RocksC5 · 12-13-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew

I have seen where guys are roadracing the GT500 aand with the correct they are not having any fade issues.

some readers read 1 article about something negative and apply it to the whole lot

ace32x · 12-13-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

I own both and each has their strong points versus the other. If I'm going to the drag strip, I'm taking the Shelby; if it's a road course the Z. Both are a ton of fun at either venue!

thats good feed back!

Vroom · 12-14-2012, 12:06 AM

I think having brake coolers on the ZL1 is a pretty good clue that its a track car not a dragster. The brake fade on the GT500 isn't going to be fixed by just changing pads and fluid. When the rotor and calipers light up, they're going fade, period.

I think the ZL1 is GM moving on from the pony wars into a more exclusive club full of Porsches, Ferraris, Audis, etc...kicking their butt I might add. The GT500 just cant compete outside the drag strip and its clear that Ford is happy with things being that way.
So lets stop talking about ZL1 vs GT500s and lets talk ZL1 vs R8s or Murcielagos.

Cyber Gray · 12-14-2012, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

I own both and each has their strong points versus the other. If I'm going to the drag strip, I'm taking the Shelby; if it's a road course the Z. Both are a ton of fun at either venue!

Well Im sure that you bought both cars , not to regret buying one only

Cyber Gray · 12-14-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by el ess X

The car designs are late 60s retro, and in and around 1969 recall the Mustangs were strip favorites the majority of the time although the Camaro could hold its own. It was handling and speed around the twisties where the Camaro shined.

So in effect, things haven't changed all that much in comparison. (except the ride quality and all the safety and performance enhancements) While the Mustang has done a good job overall, I believe the ZL-1 is more of a complete car that does many more things well.

These are the salad days of pony cars people. It's "Jurassic Park"...the DNA was extracted and the dinosaurs recreated for us to enjoy. But bad things happen to send them back to extinction once they've been released. (aka EPA strangulation). Twin turbo V6's may be bad ass, but if I can't have a V8, I'm done.

Buy 'em before they're done, folks.

I like the "Jurassic Park" description

Topher3134 · 12-14-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vroom

I think having brake coolers on the ZL1 is a pretty good clue that its a track car not a dragster. The brake fade on the GT500 isn't going to be fixed by just changing pads and fluid. When the rotor and calipers light up, they're going fade, period.

I think the ZL1 is GM moving on from the pony wars into a more exclusive club full of Porsches, Ferraris, Audis, etc...kicking their butt I might add. The GT500 just cant compete outside the drag strip and its clear that Ford is happy with things being that way.
So lets stop talking about ZL1 vs GT500s and lets talk ZL1 vs R8s or Murcielagos.

Haha that's a good one. Why not compare to a gtr then.

Vroom · 12-14-2012, 12:46 AM

That's been done.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...n-gt-r-premium

Deki · 12-14-2012, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vroom

I think having brake coolers on the ZL1 is a pretty good clue that its a track car not a dragster. The brake fade on the GT500 isn't going to be fixed by just changing pads and fluid. When the rotor and calipers light up, they're going fade, period.

I think the ZL1 is GM moving on from the pony wars into a more exclusive club full of Porsches, Ferraris, Audis, etc...kicking their butt I might add. The GT500 just cant compete outside the drag strip and its clear that Ford is happy with things being that way.
So lets stop talking about ZL1 vs GT500s and lets talk ZL1 vs R8s or Murcielagos.

Actually, just a fluid change DOES address that. And I'm sorry, but the ZL1 IS a competitor to the GT500, as witnessed by the fact that the GT500 beats ZL1 on just as many road courses as the ZL1 beats it. I think you need to rethink the ZL1 vs. Ferraris, Porsches and Audis argument.

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Originally Posted by Vroom

That's been done.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...n-gt-r-premium

And the ZL1 got destroyed. The ZL1 is not a competitor to the GT-R.

sonic656 · 12-14-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Deki

Actually, just a fluid change DOES address that. And I'm sorry, but the ZL1 IS a competitor to the GT500, as witnessed by the fact that the GT500 beats ZL1 on just as many road courses as the ZL1 beats it. I think you need to rethink the ZL1 vs. Ferraris, Porsches and Audis argument.

And the ZL1 got destroyed. The ZL1 is not a competitor to the GT-R.

Stew · 12-14-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Vroom

I think having brake coolers on the ZL1 is a pretty good clue that its a track car not a dragster. The brake fade on the GT500 isn't going to be fixed by just changing pads and fluid. When the rotor and calipers light up, they're going fade, period.

I think the ZL1 is GM moving on from the pony wars into a more exclusive club full of Porsches, Ferraris, Audis, etc...kicking their butt I might add. The GT500 just cant compete outside the drag strip and its clear that Ford is happy with things being that way.
So lets stop talking about ZL1 vs GT500s and lets talk ZL1 vs R8s or Murcielagos.

You are so wrong on so many accounts................

Stew · 12-14-2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Deki

Actually, just a fluid change DOES address that. And I'm sorry, but the ZL1 IS a competitor to the GT500, as witnessed by the fact that the GT500 beats ZL1 on just as many road courses as the ZL1 beats it. I think you need to rethink the ZL1 vs. Ferraris, Porsches and Audis argument.

And the ZL1 got destroyed. The ZL1 is not a competitor to the GT-R.

Point, match, game...

Topher3134 · 12-14-2012, 07:58 AM

But it's not fastest at the drag strip so it must be made to beat the gtr. They are both heavy and both have 580ish hp. Both have advanced suspension. Both have forged wheels. Both have carbon fiber in the body. Zl1 hood! So why can't it beat that import jap scrap pos? All bow to mighty zl1.

Topher3134 · 12-14-2012, 08:44 AM

Nv way to go man that's what needed to be said. I love all fast, powerful, good handling cars. Hell if someone gave me an arial atom I would strap my helmet on and drive the tires off it! Just because it doesn't have a Bowtie the fan boys hate. They don't understand that competition within a call can make all the cars better. Pretty soon we won't have big v8 muscle cars. EPA will make fun illegal and we will all be stuck with toasters.

Cyber Gray · 12-14-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Deki

Actually, just a fluid change DOES address that. And I'm sorry, but the ZL1 IS a competitor to the GT500, as witnessed by the fact that the GT500 beats ZL1 on just as many road courses as the ZL1 beats it. I think you need to rethink the ZL1 vs. Ferraris, Porsches and Audis argument.

And the ZL1 got destroyed. The ZL1 is not a competitor to the GT-R.

Let me correct you sir !!

ZL1 is not in the class of the GT-R to compete with it.

ZL1 is a car.

GT-R is an aircraft

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12-14-2012, 12:06 AM	#45
Vroom Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 325	I think having brake coolers on the ZL1 is a pretty good clue that its a track car not a dragster. The brake fade on the GT500 isn't going to be fixed by just changing pads and fluid. When the rotor and calipers light up, they're going fade, period. I think the ZL1 is GM moving on from the pony wars into a more exclusive club full of Porsches, Ferraris, Audis, etc...kicking their butt I might add. The GT500 just cant compete outside the drag strip and its clear that Ford is happy with things being that way. So lets stop talking about ZL1 vs GT500s and lets talk ZL1 vs R8s or Murcielagos. __________________ 2013 Victory Red ZL1 - 210K+ miles. Mods: Who needs mods...its a freaking ZL1 - Last car: 2006 GTO

12-14-2012, 12:46 AM	#49
Vroom Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 325	That's been done. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...n-gt-r-premium __________________ 2013 Victory Red ZL1 - 210K+ miles. Mods: Who needs mods...its a freaking ZL1 - Last car: 2006 GTO

12-14-2012, 07:58 AM	#54
Topher3134 Drives: delete me Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: delete me Posts: 418	But it's not fastest at the drag strip so it must be made to beat the gtr. They are both heavy and both have 580ish hp. Both have advanced suspension. Both have forged wheels. Both have carbon fiber in the body. Zl1 hood! So why can't it beat that import jap scrap pos? All bow to mighty zl1.

12-14-2012, 08:44 AM	#55
Topher3134 Drives: delete me Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: delete me Posts: 418	Nv way to go man that's what needed to be said. I love all fast, powerful, good handling cars. Hell if someone gave me an arial atom I would strap my helmet on and drive the tires off it! Just because it doesn't have a Bowtie the fan boys hate. They don't understand that competition within a call can make all the cars better. Pretty soon we won't have big v8 muscle cars. EPA will make fun illegal and we will all be stuck with toasters.