12-11-2012, 11:14 AM | #43 |
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if you make lots of wide open pulls, you should get one. if you only street drive, you dont have to get one but it wouldnt hurt.
i clean mine out at every oil change and before and after each track event. the guys that arent seeing any oil in their can are not driving them at WFO enough to build pressure to cause blowby. those thinking gm has their best interest at heart, and would put everything the car could possibly need for every driver in, are not thinking rationally or are inexperienced(like we all were once). if your going to drive a passanger car thats built for the masses, you will have to do the things that make the car last in those conditions. drag race guys add a stall and trans tune. guys who road track work on the suspension. |
12-11-2012, 11:17 AM | #44 |
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12-11-2012, 11:30 AM | #45 |
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If you care about your engines performance as it ages you will run a catch can, if you do not care about its performance then no need to run a catch can.
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12-11-2012, 11:30 AM | #46 |
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Pretty argumentative aren't ya? I came in here looking for answers and to have polite conversation. Sorry I struck a nerve. There are others here that have said they're absolutely F*CKING worthless. Go jump their nuts instead. I never claimed my Dad or his friends were the next coming of John Force. All I said was they were "big car guys". Having owned and maintained just about every American Muscle since the 60's. Anyways...can we continue with the debate/information?
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12-11-2012, 11:34 AM | #47 |
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I don't see where a catch can is a performance item. Now if the Camaro has 200,000 miles on it and has never had the throttle body cleaned etc, then a catch can could have lessened some of that. But a catch can would in no way effect performance of a daily driver.
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12-11-2012, 11:34 AM | #48 |
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Ok, if it's so imperative, then why not include the catch can and omit something that is purely cosmetic to make up the difference? Just a thought.
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12-11-2012, 11:45 AM | #49 |
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Well I think most of these cars are considered street legal daily drivers so GM considers the cost vs. benefit ratio acceptable. Since it appears there is very little oil leakage the added expense is not justified to have a catch can install from the factory.
I think most of us here at Camaro5 are "hyper" sensitive about our cars performance and maintenance so we tend to error on the side of caution and install these "small but useful" add on parts. Just my 2 cents... |
12-11-2012, 11:49 AM | #50 | |
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but as for my car? we put my Maggie 2300 on my car with only 300 miles. I could not believe how much oil was inside my intake with only 300 miles on the engine. that was reason alone for me to get a catch can.
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12-11-2012, 12:32 PM | #51 |
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Run one.
I own three lsx powered vehicles and they all have one. Its debatable, but I choose to run one for peace of mind. Brad 8yrs as GM technician.
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It all comes down to budget, target market demographics, the legal dept, and the ivory tower execs.....it has nothing to do with building the best car/truck possible, it is meeting the price range of the target market and (I'm nearly 60) anyone that has actualy worked in the industry would tell you (not a junior peon...senoir engineers) they have tons of great solutions and improvements they would like to implement, but management will never approve (yes, even a .20 cent item). Now on to my qualifications VS those with just opionions arguing against them.....over 38 years building engines, GM tech (Pontiac/olds/GMC truck dealership for years), graduate of Reher Morrison Race Engine Building, have owned, driven, managed some of the most successful drag teams in both NHRA & IHRA for ages, these hold multiple Divisional, National, and World Championships in several classes (not someone that goes to a test & tune now and then) in both NHRA & IHRA. Have disscussions regularly over the years with GM/Ford & Chrysler engineers on these and other issues, and sell these to multiple GM dealers where they are used to document excess oil consumption and as over 11,000 customers can attest to the results first hand. So, ask specific technical questions for any part of any of this anyone is in doubt of and I will provide the documentation to answer with facts, not opinions, not uneducated guesses, and no fight to wreck the thread. Quote:
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12-11-2012, 12:56 PM | #53 |
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Forgot to add....GM (and every other auto manufacturer) reccomend you come in every 12-15k miles and spend $150-$450 on TB cleaning and an upper induction cleaning to help remove the deposits caused (restore MPG and power is how they word it) by the oil ingestion....lots cheaper to prevent it in the first place as every time you do an upper induction cleaning some of the hard carbon gets trapped between the piston and cylinder wall causing scouring...that adds up over time.
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12-11-2012, 01:22 PM | #54 |
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Anyone with a LS3/L99, remove your TB and look inside your IM and see what is ingesting. This car came the next day after delivery from the dealer:
Picture of SC and housing using a RX catchcan from day one for 16,000 miles VS a intercooler after 14,000 miles w/no can: Scouring on pistons from carbon breaking loose: Oil ingestion causes buildup on the piston rings and ring lands preventing them from moving freely to properly seal...resulting in loss of power and excess oil consumption: Actual pictures from GM TSB: Intake from LLT on left w/can from new, right w/out: |
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Sorry, but you have been most arrogant and demeaning to my lack of knowledge. However, I do know this: V8's don't need a catch-can, and the V6's, well, maybe. Now, back to your modus operandi of sending out your pics of the uber-dirty piston rods and then the treatise. Face it, your # 1 goal is to sell catch-cans. God bless you, but keep it "real". Ugh. |
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12-11-2012, 09:43 PM | #56 |
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Oh wow, you beat me to the punch. Really, that is what is inside all our brand new L99/LS3's.............................REALLY ?
Guess what, you may be called for a witness to a class-action suit, in which case, hold on to all your pics and information. Thank you. |
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